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Re: [Digital BW] Re: placing a collective order to MIS/inksupply from Germany

2014-12-26 by Paul Roark

This is the label from the Arches I use:

[image: Inline image 1]

Also on line at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Arches-label.jpg .

Ernst wrote: "... On Velin Arches Blanc Natural Grain Marquee 300 gsm which
has a Lab 96.2 0.8 6.9 the Eboni 1+5 OCP Kodak Gloss Optimizer brushed on
gave a patch measured Lab 27.6 0.7 2.1. So a dark grey patch near neutral
while the paper is a warm one. Measured with a non-UV cut Eye One Pro."

If I am reading this right, the Lab B dropped from 6.9 for the paper white
to 2.1 for the 1:5 Eboni:OCP dilution, applied by a brush.

With a similar dilution of Eboni with the generic base version C6c, I get
37, 1.6, 2.4 on a paper with a white reading of 95, 0.7, 2.7.  With an
older Calibration print the 18% (Eb6M) Eboni to total base + ink
concentration at the 75% patch measures 27, 1.1, 2.2.  (Spyder 3 color
meter)

I'm not sure I've ever seen a reduction of the Lab B in actual printing
aside from the 100% black point.  So, if you're actually seeing a cooling
of the tone in an area aside from an area of very dense coverage, something
interesting may be going on.

I wonder what that OPC gloss optimizer has in it.  The MIS version has a
binder in it.  That is what allows their non-coated pigments to stick to
the paper.  I believe the Epson gloss optimizer might have clear particles
in it.  Something that stays on top of the paper has to be in a gloss
optimizer for it to do its job.  So, the questions I would have about the
OCP GO are: What is in it, and will that substance change with time and
light exposure?

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com






On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 3:30 AM, Ernst Dinkla ernst.dinkla@...
[DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> wrote:

>
>
> Paul,
>
> I guess the paper is called Arches Aquarelle Grain Satiné 300gr/m2 56x76
> cm in Europe. There is often an English and French description on the
> labels, is it correct what I wrote here?
>
>
> Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
>
> Dinkla Grafische Techniek
> Quad, piëzografie, giclée
> www.pigment-print.com
>
> On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 12:41 AM, Paul Roark roark.paul@...
> [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I would stay away from the "blocks" of Arches.  The one I tried had a low
>> dmax and the edge had to be cut off to avoid printer damage.
>>
>> I prefer the Arches Hot Press Bright White (not really very bright and
>> prints just like the standard) 140 lb. (300 gsm) in "full sheets" -- 22x30
>> inches (approximately).  See
>> http://www.dickblick.com/products/arches-bright-white-watercolor-paper/
>>
>> Paul
>> www.PaulRoark.com
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 3:04 PM, richard@...
>> [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <
>> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul, is this the uncoated water color paper you use and recommend? I'm
>>> going to give it a try when I get back from visiting family this week.
>>>
>>> Arches Watercolor Block 140 Pound Hot Press Paper - 9 x 12 Sheets
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>>>        [image: image]
>>> <http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015UI1XW/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0015UI1XW&linkCode=as2&tag=blaandwhimas-20&linkId=3EJ5BEAOFD2AOKOZ>
>>>      Arches Watercolor Block 140 Pound Hot Press Paper - 9...
>>> <http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015UI1XW/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0015UI1XW&linkCode=as2&tag=blaandwhimas-20&linkId=3EJ5BEAOFD2AOKOZ>
>>> Shop Arches at the Amazon Arts, Crafts & Sewing store. Free Shipping on
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>>>       View on www.amazon.com
>>> <http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015UI1XW/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0015UI1XW&linkCode=as2&tag=blaandwhimas-20&linkId=3EJ5BEAOFD2AOKOZ>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>  
>


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