Digital BW, The Print

In my brief look at the HP MK, I found them warm, as you noted. They appeared to be carbon, which generally means they'd be very fade resistant.

I have never tried to dilute the HP MK, but it would probably stay in suspension better than Eboni due to having to be smaller to be used in the lower viscosity thermal liquid medium. I suspect for someone who wants a very warm print, the HP MK would make a good pigment and print much the same as the Cone Carbon Sepia.

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:32 AM, Ernst Dinkla ernst.dinkla@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Paul,

For the HP MK and possible MK dilutions we do not have information on their fade resistance. There are of course the MK black patches as measured in Aardenburg's Vivera pigment ink tests but that is all. I expect no difference between the HP MK and Eboni in black patches behaviour in time, the HP MK is not made neutral by HP and is slightly warmer than Eboni.

Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst

Dinkla Grafische Techniek
Quad, piëzografie, giclée
www.pigment-print.com

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Paul Roark roark.paul@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The HP 3200 PK and grays are the best of the neutralized carbon (carbon cooled with color pigments) inks, in my view. As you can see from page 2 of http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf , which has a chart comparing some delta-e values from http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com/ fade tests, the HP neutral inks edge out the Epson ABW approach, though the HP PK and grays are still not in the 100% carbon class, by quite a large margin.

Paul

www.PaulRoark.com

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 1:16 AM, Ben Albu ben@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <;DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hello,

I confirm what Ernst is saying. I have a R3000, and Ernst adviced me to
mix HP Vivera PK with the OCP alternative.
I left the original Epson MK ink cartridge in the printer (later on I
replaced it with HP Vivera MK).

Paul Roark helped me a lot with the QTR workflow, and I have created
some profiles.
Merely a combination of these inks with Canson papers (Rag
Photographique, BFK Rives).

The results are good.

Best regards,

Ben Albu

On 27-12-2014 11:08 AM, Ernst Dinkla ernst.dinkla@...

[DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] wrote:
> Some years ago I contacted, Robert or Richard, the owner of the Image
> Specialists import company here in The Netherlands, The price of a 1
> liter bottle was something like 50 Euro, way more than I paid for the
> OCP Gloss Optimizer.
>
> A decade ago I bought Mediastreet and later MIS inks (colors sets) for
> Epson 9000s and a 10000. Together with a friend, gallons usually. Most
> of the time it went right but one time a jar was leaking, another time
> a Light Magenta ink did not correspond to the Light Magenta we had
> before. MIS replaced the last but it is not very comvenient to deal
> with a supplier that far away.
>
> The OCP Kodak Gloss Optimizer that I bought was for mixing HP Vivera
> PK ink for a HP thermal head printer so all the components are
> compatible with thermal heads. No complaints about their behaviour in
> the printer.
>
> About two years ago Ben Albu in Belgium wrote about going the
> piëzography route. I advised him to get Vivera pigment ink MK and PK
> and mix it with the OCP alternative for Epson R1800 gloss enhancer. To
> be used on an Epson R3000. He did that and contacted Paul for some
> finer details, Paul has used Vivera PK pigment inks diluted with ink
> medium in Epson printers. It worked well as far as I can recall.
>
> BTW in my email exchanges Ben mentioned a former MIS ink importer in
> Germany who claimed they had some difficulty with the products or the
> shipping and created their own carbon ink line since. Both Ben and I
> do not have experience with their products.
>

> farbenwerk [2]
> Im Winkel 1a
> D-46286 Dorsten
> 
> Telefon: +49 (0) 2369/2495987 [3]
> Telefax: +49 (0) 2369/2495989 [4]
> info@...
> http://www.farbenwerk.com [5]
>
> Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
>
> Dinkla Grafische Techniek
> Quad, piëzografie, giclée
>; www.pigment-print.com [6]
>
> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Michael-K michael3442@...
> [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]
> <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Ernst, here's a link to Image Specialists global distributors; I see
>> there's one in The Netherlands. I would drop them an email (or call)
>> and ask about the ink's availability. Might be worth the effort.
>>
>> http://www.image-specialists.com/about_us_global_dis.aspx [1]
>
>
>
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