Digital BW, The Print

In response to this antiquated argument, I have yet to see a 
silver print with the tonal range of a platinum print.  And I have 
seen lots of beautiful silver prints and lots of beautiful platinum 
prints.  The goal for me is not to make a digital print that imitates 
these.  In fact, an inkjet print looks more like a photogravure.  

I have yet to see an apple that looks like an orange.  These are 
not valid arguments.  What is important to digital printers is 
making the most beautiful print we can with our chosen medium.  
This is also most important to platinum and silver printmakers.

On a tangential note, I have just changed from MIS VM inks to 
MIS FS.  Shadow detail is increased dramatically and through a 
lupe the FS Piezo has a tighter dot pattern.  What's the down 
side?  Many more nozzle checks and cleaning cycles.  The Piezo 
system is pushing my Epson 1160 to its max.  I long for the 
carefree life of Paul's curves and Epson's dithered driver.

Frank

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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit" 
<michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
> Steadman,
> 
> I fully agree that Piezo technology is quitre good, in fact it has
> progressed to the point of being very good. However, as a 
member director of
> a Photography Center and Museum I must tell you that I have 
yet to see a
> Piezo print that can match the quality of a fine silver or platinum 
print.
> They are getting quite close, but there are some pretty good 
silver printers
> out there. I would venture to say that it will still be a while for the
> paper coatings and inks to be able to replicate the "glow" and 
lunminescence
> of a Michael Kenna or John Sexton print.
> 
> Just my thoughts my firnd.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steadman Uhlich" <steadmanuhlich@k...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 10:50 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] For Della On Shadows
> 
> 
> > Hello Della,
> >
> > I found your observations of the shadow detail using Piezo 
versus silver
> > prints very interesting.
> >
> > I think what happens is a natural "bias" to the medium which 
one has
> > "learned" and lived with for a long time.  The esthetics of a 
silver
> printer
> > are probably indelibly (to use an ink term) marked by a need 
to have "deep
> > blacks" and not so much a revel in the revealing shadows.
> >
> > I agree that the Piezo shadow detail can be 
spectacular...drawing one into
> a
> > print in a new way.
> >
> > Thanks for posting your views...I enjoyed reading them.
> >
> > Steadman
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "della ellingson" <dellaellingson@y...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > Cc: <dilcher@y...>
> > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 8:45 PM
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Piezo vs MIS question
> >
> >
> > > > dilcher [mailto:dilcher@y...] wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> ... having trouble  deciding between Piezo and MIS
> > > methods.
> > > >> ...Piezography is supposed to have a driver which
> > > makes a substantial
> > > >> difference in printing.  Is this so?
> > > >
> > > > You will get a variety of opinions on this, I'm
> > > sure.  Mine is that the
> > > > Piezo driver does, in fact, make smoother prints on
> > > older quad printers, but
> > > > not on newer hextone printers.  Nonetheless, while I
> > > have the Piezo driver
> > > > and the older quad printers, I still prefer the
> > > Epson driver.  The
> > > > differences in smoothness are not enough to be
> > > relevant to my decision.
> > >
> > >
> > > I have used both the Piezography driver and the
> > > various MIS workflows. For me, the greatest difference
> > > is the superior tonal separation of Piezography in the
> > > shadows regions. Not yet have any of the alternative
> > > methods been able to equal the separation of tone in
> > > the shadows regions.
> > >
> > > However this may not be of importance according to
> > > your level of quality expectation. I have found
> > > several Piezographers who prefer to have the shadows
> > > regions appear all black. My preference is to go
> > > beyond that of the silver print in tonal fidelity of
> > > shadows. Piezography does this and it is a quality
> > > that I prefer. Also - there is a better highlights
> > > definition.
> > >
> > > Like I have mentioned some photographers do not have
> > > the same corresponding judgment of quality criteria. I
> > > argue that Piezography is able to produce a level
> > > above the silver print. They argue that getting close
> > > to a silver print is all that is necessary of inkjet.
> > > I am certain that my printing is of a higher concept
> > > than theirs. For me it matters.
> > >
> > > -della
> > >
> > >
> > >
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