Digital BW, The Print

Jerry,

The enhanced K has never done well in my fade tests.  I think that the dye
on EAM is a combination that does not optimize the enhanced K's life.  I
recall reading that while EAM is great for pigments, it is not good for
dyes.  I suspect the paper MS used to get the Wilhelm test results is a good
hint as to which paper that black does well on.

I doubt that pollution was a problem.

The fading wasn't really that bad, and it's all relative anyway.

Paul
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...]
  Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 7:35 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Indelible Black Fade Test (M&M sample)


  Paul, I just don't understand how this is possible! Your 300 hour test
showed nothing
  like this, EAM paper has always been one of the best with pigment inks.
Have any other people said they had fading with the Generations
  enhanced black?

  In 2 months in a sunny window, even the straight MIS DYE ink didn't fade
much at all on EAM Paper. I wonder if it's a pollutant of some kind
  in the atmosphere.

  Jerry
















  > >Paul, are you saying the generations Enhanced black ink is fading to
brown?
  > >I have never experienced this at all. I've never seen any fading from
  > >any of the generations inks when displayed in normal room lighting,
  > >and I've been using them since they came out.
  >
  > I think most people with normal viewing situations do not notice quick
color
  > changes or fading.  However, consistent with the test I just did, note
this
  > abridged comment on the 9000 list:
  > _____________
  >
  > Message 16717
  > >... Fri Mar 22, 2002  9:15 pm
  > >Subject:  Quick fading of Gen4 Inks
  >
  > >...
  > >I printed some Christmas cards for my family, just fun stuff, onto
  > >Epson Archival Matte and they have faded badly already.
  > >That's 4 months.
  >
  > >The black has gone muddy and the print looks a lot like when the
  > >black nozzles are not firing and the dark areas are a dark
  > >red/brown colour.
  >
  > >The other colours seem OK, ...
  >
  > >Now, these prints were never framed and have suffered through a hot
  > >Australian summer with high humidity although they have never had
  > >sunlight on them. I have other prints on German Etching that look
  > >good after up to a year, unframed, but these ones on Epson Archival
  > >Matte now look awful.
  >
  > >...
  > _______________
  >
  > So, I don't know if it related to anything I saw on the last test or
not.
  > However, this thread may be worth keeping an eye on if you are using Gen
  > Enhanced K, perhaps especially with EAM.
  >
  > Paul
  >
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