Jerry: I agree that it sounds like the inks are reversed, but I don't think that's the case. The darker density at 50-55% (vs 60-80%) I think is just a by-product of the completely flat tones I'm getting from 60-80%. To put it another way, all of the steps on the printed step-wedge from the 60% band to the 80% band are indentical in density. They also happen to be slightly less dense than the 50 & 55% bands. It appears to me that the problem lies in the nozzle responsible for printing the 60-80% portion of a step wedge (roughly). Which nozzle is that? I think I may try the Fantastik injection method someone else (flyfishing) mentioned. Jim --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson <jerryolson@r...> wrote: > It REALLY sounds as if you have the inks in the wrong positions. > Possibly mislabeled inks? Do the FS inks have to be in a different > position when using the piezo driver, or ar they same as epson. I think different. > > Jerry > > Jim HARRIS wrote: > > > > I seem to have no luck with digital black & white. > > > > I started with the Piezography system on an 1160 printer. Got beautiful, stunning results. But after a few months the dreaded "Density Shift Syndrome" (DSS) set in with severely washed out midtones and a greenish cast. Inkjet mall was very good about sending me replacement cartridges for my CIS system. I reinstalled Piezo inks in a new 1160 and got beautiful results again....for about 4-6 weeks. Then signs of DSS appeared in the new printer. I reluctantly decided to throw in the towel with Piezo inks and give MIS FS inks a try after reading so many good things about them in this group. > > > > Today I hooked up new cartridges on my CIS system,filled them with new MIS FS ink, and got perfect nozzle checks the first time. Then I tried printing only to discover that I still have absolutely no density in the mid-tones. The prints are actually worse than my worst Piezo DSS prints - almost solarized. > > > > I just printed a gray-scale step-wedge and found that things appear normal from about 0% to around 30% and from about 85-90% to 100%. But from about 35% to 80% things are a real mess. There's a catastrophic drop in density from 85% to 80%, no discernable difference in density from about 60% to 80%, and the density at 50-55% is actually greater than from 60% to 80%. > > > > What is going on? If any of you can give me some guidance, I'd appreciate it very much. To help eliminate some variables: > > > > 1. I am printing on the right side of the paper (I'm using EAM with the logo on the back). > > 2. I double and triple-checked the inks before loading my CIS system. I am certain that I loaded the inks, as labeled by MIS, in the right positions. > > > > Here's what I'm afraid of. Could a severe case of DSS with the Piezo inks have done permanent damage o my print head? I did put the MIS inks into the 1160 that had a very bad case of DSS, but I have run a full set of Epson cartridges through it since then and it seemed to be printing just fine with the color inks (although I didn't ever print anything too critical with it and carefully analyze the results). > > > > Any thoughts, suggestions, advice, etc. would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - Include your full name with your message. > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Re: [Digital BW] anyone cured Piezo DSS with MIS inks?
2002-03-29 by aquilegia
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