Digital BW, The Print

Martin, if Torchon goes, then what?  It appears ALL the Hahnumuhle papers have the same coating so I
suppose they all will shift/fade over time.  I can't think of many papers, or should I say ANY papers we
discuss on these lists that somebody hasn't said faded or shifted colors for them.

The really strange thing is that under NORMAL room lighting, I've never seen ANY print fade or shift
colors.

Are there any people on any of these lists who actually sell their epson prints in the $600 and up price
range?  If there are, I wonder what inks and papers they are using and what they are telling the customers
about longevity.

Jerry




Martin Wesley wrote:

> Jerry,
>
> Yep. I am still printing with the Piezo on my 1200. Have everything
> to do the MIS VM except time!
>
> I hope you get a better result with you test of MIS on Torchon. It
> really is a great paper.
>
> I find the fading/warm shifting really disturbing. I put a lot of
> effort into a print to get it just to a perfect tonal balance and it
> is really upsetting to know I can't count on that lasting very long!
>
> Have you tried Hahnemule Structure 150? I think that it is one of the
> best as far as white base; deep blacks (like Torchon) and neutral
> image go. Unfortunately it is not much thicker than binder paper!
> Image color seems stable too. Really frustrating.
>
> The color shift in the EAM base was probably the brighteners fading
> out.
>
> After seeing some VM prints and other people's Piezo prints I am
> going to have to take back me "no green here" statement but it has
> nothing to do with the paper. More on that later.
>
> Martin
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > Martin,  is this with the piezo inks? I'm going to put one with the
> MIS cold
> > tone inks in the south window tomorrow. I'll use the cool curve,
> and we'll
> > see how it fares in a few weeks.
> >
> > There aren't a lot of papers around that seem not to fade, are
> there? I've
> > not seen it with epson Archival yet, so there's one good one. I
> sure hope
> > the photo matte holds up. Of course I've also not seen any green
> cast with
> > piezo inks either!
> >
> > The Epson archival has withstood 3 months in a south window with
> practically
> > no change in color using Pauls curve and the MIS variable inkset.
> The
> > doctored piezo yellow position ink was also a good candidate, and
> did not
> > fade either. The epson paper turned a slight cream color, but the
> inks
> > didn't change visually. I suppose an instrument would have seen
> changes.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Martin Wesley wrote:
> >
> > > Speaking of Torchon I have noticed a huge amount of warm up in the
> > > prints. It seems to take several days if not weeks and the rather
> > > neutral prints I made on it 2 weeks ago are now among the warmest
> > > PiezoBW prints I have made.
> > >
> > > Since I prefer a more neutral tone, Torchon is rapidly sliding
> off my
> > > favorite's list.
> > >
> > > Anyone else seeing this?
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael J. Kravit"
> > > <kravit@b...> wrote:
> > > > Todd wrote:
> > > >   >>What I'd like is just a non parchment version of Torchon. Is
> > > that so
> > > >   >>difficult. ;-) It's bright enough, it's stiff enough, it's
> > > blacks are good -
> > > >   >>If Hahnemuhle would just take it out of the waffle
> iron.... :*[
> > > >
> > > >   Now wouldn't that be sweet. I could print with only one
> paper. I
> > > would buy a closet full to ensure a lifelong supply!
> > > >
> > > >   How about it Hannemuhle, Torchon 285 w/o the texture!
> > > >
> > > >   Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > > The Group Homepage can be found at:
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage often and check the resources their regularly. The page can be found at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/