Digital BW, The Print

I've got Pablo Kolodny from Argentina satying with me at themoment. He is
one hell of a wet printer and he has brought some prints/negs for me to try
to match. It makes me realise how impossible it is for inkjet to match the
glowing blacks of a semi or gloss wet print. maybe I should try the coating
approach, but seeing his stuff makes me want to hit the darkroom again.
Problem is that I'm a much better dig printer than wet! Inkjet wins for me
in the long, smooth midtones.

Julian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Coating revisited


> On 4/3/02 10:20 PM, "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...> wrote:
>
> > Stephen,
> >
> > You can go back in the archives and find the results of Robert's fade
tests.
> > As I recall fading and warm shifting were reduced by all coatings. There
was
> > a much greater difference between coated and uncoated than between the
> > specific coatings. The fade and warming were reduced by 50% in
comparison to
> > the uncoated prints as best as I recall.
>
> That's accurate.  Ozone testing is in progress with Epson 10000 prints.
>
> > Coating the prints has a pronounce effect on their appearance. I have
sent
> > coated prints to several people and the general response was that they
did
> > not care for it. The increase in Dmax is very strong but the surface is
much
> > like a varnished oil painting in quality.
>
> Dmax increases in the coatings that I have worked with range from 0.4 to
0.6
> increase...essentially taking the prints from matte to gloss.  The effect
is
> like a varnished oil painting.  Tones are more luminous.  I find that the
> photos appear deeper.  The velvety finish is certainly gone.  These look
> like gloss prints...but on archival paper...preserving the texture of the
> paper.  Personally I love the look as do the people that I have shown the
> prints to including several paper manufacturers.  If you do not like the
> look of gloss prints, however, you are unlikely to like the look of the
> coated prints. In the end each person will have to decide for themselves
> whether they like the look...and that will probably vary from image to
image
> and from paper to paper.
>
> > As a compromise I would suggest using one of the UV aerosol spray
coatings.
> > These do not change the appearance of the print if applied lightly but
> > provide excellent mechanical protection and improve fade and warming
> > resistance as well.
>
> I find the sprays useless...no improvement in appearance...minimal
> protection from light (too thin a coating) and they frequently ruin the
> surface of the print. I have heard through the grapevine that Cone has a
> brush on coating that he uses to improve dmax, without changing the
surface
> of the print.  I don't know anything about this...other than he sells it
for
> $400/gallon.  Personally, I'm highly skeptical that anything can
> dramatically increase dmax without adding gloss.
> >
> > Also check into the coating being offered by MIS that is designed to be
> > loaded into a printer. You run the print through to have a coating
applied
> > by inkjet. I have not seen the results of this process but it sounds
> > interesting. One of the biggest problems in coating prints was in
getting an
> > even, streak and dust free application. An inkjet application might
avoid
> > all these issues and you could control how much was applied by selecting
> > something less than 100% "black" as the print color.
>
> It is unlikely that this would put down a thick enough coat.  Streak and
> dust free application is not a problem with the right equipment.
Honestly,
> that's why I don't have a product out yet...it has taken nearly 9 months
of
> experimenting to get the equipment right and perfect the formulation...but
> it is possible...and turns out to be easy with the right gunk and
equipment.
>
> Currently, I'm hoping to have a commercial product out by next
> September...but no promises.  In the mean time I'm glad to take questions.
I
> have coated prints going out into several print exchanges and both Crane
> (Robert Rex) and Brightcube will be showing prints that I have beta coated
> on their papers in meetings around the country.  I believe that Robert Rex
> is also intending to use them for in store displays of Museo.  Coated
> PiezoBW Museo prints will knock your socks off if you like glossy
> prints...they are really fantastic.
>
> Robert
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stephen Kundell, MD" <skundell@...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:53 PM
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Coating revisited
> >
> >
> >> It has been a while since the topic of coating has been addressed. I
know
> > Robert and others were actively experimenting in this regard.  Has
anyone
> > come up with a system that works with large images, and truly prevents
UV
> > and ozone degradation similar to the benefit of framed images. I hate
that
> > glass between me and the image!!!!
> >> Thanks all
> >> Stephen
> >>
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