Digital BW, The Print

It turns out that this message is more about color...but Robert Rex's post
was here so I'm posting here and also to the Archival Color list.

Thanks, Robert Rex.  Actually, I've found that for 3rd party inks (e.g., MIS
Perpetuals or the Indelible Inks) with either Museo or Eclipse I need to
back off on the ink delivery of the black ink...otherwise I get compressed
shadows.  This problem is even more extreme for Hahnemuhle and EAM papers.
I'm using a 1270 with CIS.  Thus I'm using the Photo Quality Glossy Film
setting and a transfer function in photoshop/page setup and making a linear
correction for the black ink.  It looks like I may need to do this for the
other inks as well...but black is the biggest problem.  I'm using a cmyk
ramp and measuring densities with a spectrocam.  Once I've got things linear
then I profile with the spectrocam and profilerpro with a target printed
with those settings.  I'm getting nice gamut using this technique...rich
saturated colors...but I still have a lot of problem getting a neutral gray
ramp.  The on screen soft proof is also way off...I have to correct with
Doctorpro.  Interestingly, the print itself is rather close to a preview in
Adobe98.  Incontrast the softproof of the profile is really washed out
compared to the actual print.

Incidently, I think I've mentioned this before...but for Museo or Eclipse,
the ultimate quad inkset would be made with MIS Double Density Black...not
the black ink that they use for the FS and VM inkset.  This black is really
beautiful on these papers.  Really rich and neutral...strong (around 1.7)
dmax.

Robert


 On 4/11/02 5:05 AM, "chameleon728" <chameleon@...> wrote:

> Robert, All--
> Only the Epson 10000 (and 9500/7500) have a setting specifically for
> SFA and TFA.  Coincidentally, the paper settings are called "smooth
> fine art" and "textured fine art."  The 2000P, 1270/80/90 do not have
> a specific paper setting for SFA, TFA or Museo.
> 
> For the 2000P, we recommend using the Archival Matte paper setting to
> produce a profile.
> 
> For the 1270/80, we recommend using the Photo Quality Inkjet Paper or
> Photo Quality Glossy Paper settings if you aren't using a profile. If
> you are using a profile then Heavyweight Matte seems to work better.
> 
> For more details, please contact me off-list at rrex@...
> 
> hope this helps
> robert rex
> crane & co
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Robert G. Morrison"
> <rmorrison@p...> wrote:
>> On 4/10/02 10:06 AM, "mkravit" <michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
>> 
>> Great, I'm looking forward to seeing and testing them.  Do you get
> them from
>> www.atlex.com?  Does anyone know whether their is a paper setting
>> specifically for these papers for the 1160 or 1270 driver?  I'm
> assuming
>> that there is one in the 2000P/10000 driver.
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Robert,
>>> 
>>> I will send you a sheet of Epson Smooth Fine Art and Textured Fine
>>> Art.
>>> 
>>> MIke
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison
>>> <rmorrison@p...> wrote:
>>>> No, I don't have samples.  If you would like to send some I will
>>> gladly
>>>> test.  
>>>> 
>>>> Robert Morrison
>>>> 4131 Bledsoe Ave.
>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90066
>>>> 
>>>> It's my understanding that the coating is nearly (but not)
>>> identical to
>>>> Museo and that the paper stock is the same.  I've heard this
> about
>>> the
>>>> smooth...I don't I don't know about the textured.  Thus I would
>>> expect that
>>>> they don't have brighteners.
>>>> 
>>>> Robert
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/10/02 5:05 AM, "Bill Morse" <willym@b...> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Robert, have you tested either of the Epson Fine Art papers
> (made
>>> be Crane)
>>>>> for the brighteners?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bill
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> on 4/9/02 8:05 PM, Robert G. Morrison wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, no coated archival paper is as cheap as EAM.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The 100% rag papers that have no brigheners are Museo, Eclipse
>>> Satine Soft
>>>>> White and William Turner.  They are all heavier than EAM,
>>> although the
>>>>> Eclipse and Museo are much heavier.  None of these papers are as
>>> white as
>>>>> EAM...in fact to my eye they are all about the same.
> 
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