Digital BW, The Print

Thanks Nij,

I also love photo rag, and it is a bit less expensive at mediastreet
than from some other dealers. Legion photomatte is also a favorite, and
Eclipse, and I guess I'm through with epson papers. I just don't want
that watermark on the back. Still good for proofing though, and I have a
lot left, so will use it for that.

I wonder if I got a black and white profile for photomatte and eclipse,
if you could get deeper blacks? Can you even get a Black and white
profile? Right now, I'm using the VM inkset for black and white
printing, with the Generations Enhanced black in the black position, and
getting very good prints. If you get a perfect print on Epson's archival
matte, all you have to do to match it on the eclipse is reduce gamma in
a levels adjustment layer by 15 points.
This looks a little dark on the screen, but prints beautifully.

Jerry

Nij aoth44 wrote:
> 
> Hi Jerry,
> 
> Comparing recent samples of William Tunrer 190, 310 and and OLD sample of
> ConeTech Wells River (from about this time last year), I would concur that
> there are indeed three different textures and roughness in evidence. The
> ConeTech was roughest, the WT190 next, and the WT 310 'smoothest'.
> 
> Aha - just found a recent sample of ConeTech Wells River... it is VERY
> similar to the UK William Turner 190, perhaps slightly rougher, but nothing
> I couldn't attribute to mould wearing. Also, the texture is very similar
> also, and compared to the Wells River from Feb last year, is  quite
> different. The newer Wells River 190 and the William Turner 190 also share a
> very similar wire texture on the back... strangely the WT 310 is quite
> different. The old Wells River did not just have a rough watercolour
> texture, but it has just a hint of weave in the texture like Chelsea or
> something.
> 
> By the way, I did have some flaking with the older Wells River, but it was
> resolved when I started brushing the paper... I don't tend to use it much
> though, on account of US paper sizes ;) Again, I haven't used the newer
> stuff recently either, as I selected Photo Rag for my own personal use when
> it came to doing 'real work' last Q4 last year.
> 
> Who knows? ;)
> 
> Hope this helps,
> nij
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...]
> > Sent: 11 April 2002 03:00
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hahnemule William Turner
> >
> >
> > Right, but the surfaces were far too different to be attributable to
> > "Moulds".
> > There was something else afoot. The texture and feel of the two papers
> > were far apart. Could be mislabeled? Dunno, haven't tried it lately.
> >
> > Are you now saying that Wells river (william turner lite) is no longer
> > sandy, and has no flaking troubles?
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> > Nij aoth44 wrote:
> > >
> > > Jerry,
> > >
> > > We've gone over this before ;)  William Turner comes in two
> > weights - 190
> > > and 310... and ConeTech even admit to Wells River being WT 190 (to my
> > > recollection anyhow!) Which is not to say that there haven't been some
> > > surface tesxture problems with the paper in the past. Also, mould-made
> > > papers do have surface texture changes over time as the moulds
> > wear down...
> > > this is normal.
> > >
> > > I think it was about this time last year that several people
> > raised issue
> > > with Cone Wells River paper - I haven't heard any recently
> > (apart from your
> > > comments which I think are based on your 'historic' experience
> > rather than
> > > recent???)
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > nij
> 
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