Digital BW, The Print

According to Media Street's web site this paper is only compatible with
their Gen5 ink system.  My experience is that all of the microporous
papers...for which there are now many...all require an overspray to keep the
pigment on the surface of the paper...unless you are using Gen5...that
apparently has binder in the ink.  I recently screened about a dozen
different glossy papers with PiezoBW inks (started doing this same screen
last night with MIS FSN inks) and found relatively little problem with
bronzing...but smear was a problem with every paper.  Dmax's were in the
1.75 to 2.0 range for the most part with the piezo inks.  Its possible that
you are getting the extra dmax bump from the 25% dye in the Gen4.  While I
would have in the past said the presence of the dye was bad...the new
results posted the other day with gloss papers and the dye ink may call this
into question.   I wonder if the dye sinks into the paper and the pigment
sits on top...protecting the dye from burning out...hmmm.  I'd really like
to see this result replicated, however, because it is counter to all the
testing done in the past by Wilhelm.

Robert



On 4/19/02 1:30 PM, "Richard Wolfson" <richard@...> wrote:

> I'm using their "Generations ProPhoto Lustre" microporous coated paper
> with my own custom hex-black inkest, and so far, I'm excited about the
> results. My inks: black is Gen4, grays are dilutions of Gen3 tinted warm
> & cold with Gen4 CMY. I'm putting down a lot of ink, and still having no
> problem with bronzing.
> 
> Compared to the best matte papers (e.g., photo rag, museo):
> 
> Drawbacks: slow drying, fragile surface. feels like plastic
> 
> Strengths: beautiful image with long, rich gray scale and awesome Dmax
> (>2.5). These prints look, (but don't feel) like classic air-dried
> fiber-based glossy silver-gelatin prints.
> 
> My tentative bottom line: looks like a win.
> 
> Richard Wolfson
> www.rwolfson.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Todd Flashner [mailto:tflash@...]
>> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:27 PM
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson Premium Glossy with
>> Quadtones? -apotential glossy option for MIS pigmented inks
>> 
>> 
>> on 4/17/02 11:13 AM, Editor P.O.V. Image Service wrote:
>> 
>>> I have been told, by knowledgeable parties (not mediastreet
>> employees
>>> either) that the new mediastreet glossy and semigloss media
>>  work fine 
>>> with pigmented inks (they are meant fro the Generations inks)..  My
>>> source indicated they will even work with the MIS VM set...
>> 
>> You mean it's not the inks it's the paper? Where have I heard
>> that before?... ;-)
>> 
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