Digital BW, The Print

Todd

I'm following two tracks here.

Attempting Sepia with full colour inks as well as Sepia mix (Will 
try soon)

I kind of would like to get the colour ink way working as well 
because it would be more flexible as to output.

Imagine scanning a colour neg, then desaturating to about 30% - 
leaving a small amount of colour so that it looks more like a black 
& White, then applying sepia tones. The affect would be of a sepia 
print, but with an almost subliminal colour affect.

I will try the curves method, but I'm not sure if it will change 
colours across the full shadow to highlight equally, resulting in 
yukky crossovers. Also I dont think in red, blue & yellow very well.

The histogram after the colour adjustment definately shows cut-off 
in the shadows - and it shows on the print.

I would love to receive a print from you as I have yet to see the 
output.

Address is 6 Robinson St, Subiaco. Western Australia. 6008. I am 
happy to re-imburse you. Do you take Visa>

Garry Sarre.

PS. I would like to send replys off list but can't find members 
email addresses anywhere ie. they are chopped off at the end.

> 
> I'm sure there are a million ways to make an image sepia, and I'm 
really not
> sure what the problem with your way is. Sounds like every thing is 
fine
> until you view the histogram? Then don't view the histogram. ;-)
> 
> I'm using the MIS VM sepia mix, with pretty good results. If you 
send me
> your address I'll send you a print, so at least you'll know what 
the color
> is like. And yes, I realize you are on the other side of the 
planet...
> 
> If I were adding the color to an RGB image for RGB printing I 
think I'd do
> it with curves set to color mode (which leaves your tonality 
intact) working
> with the red channel (raise it) and blue channel (lower it) to get 
the
> flavor. When you get a curve you like save it and load it for 
future use.
> 
> Chances are if your image is looking good onscreen but lousy in 
print it is
> because of a poor printer profile, metamerism, or other print 
related
> matters. That's obviously a huge generalization so I'm not betting 
on it,
> but I'm really just trying to separate your problem into one at 
the file
> creation stage and one at the printing stage.
> 
> So just what is the problems you experience? Are you prints 
looking good, or
> not? If so forget about the histogram, if not, where do you see 
the problem?
> 
> Todd
> tflash@e...
> 
> > Sepia bloody sepia
> > 
> > Someone tell me if they have a better idea and what the hell I am
> > doing.
> > 
> > I've been fiddle farting around with this sepia thing for 
months. My
> > heart yearns for the tuth. My intention has been to try a get it
> > close on a desktop before purchasing larger. I am thoroughly 
spoilt
> > as I print B&W Neg onto colour RC Paper and filtrate to get a 
rich
> > goldern sepia and it gives me the total poops trying to get 
close to
> > that with inkjet.
> > 
> > I start with a black & white neg scan.
> > 
> > A "not bad" method I have tried is to start with a desaturated 
RGB
> > image off the B&W neg and adjust colour - shadows, midtones &
> > highlights equally. I will get horrible crossover before I even
> > start if you just try mids.
> > 
> > My sepi is very rich, so my settings were 20y 15r each. Try
> > proportionally less if you want weaker. This leads to another
> > problem. If I have the "Preserve Luminosity" checked, the levels
> > change quite drastically, sometimes actually chopping off the 
shadow
> > end of the histogram, if I leave it unchecked it just does weird
> > things. In any case, I figured that I  must adjust the histogram 
at
> > the very end of the process and make sure it is intact. If it 
isn't
> > then I try this -
> > 
> > I found that if I converted to CMYK and then did the same colour
> > adjustment, my histogram was left fairly intact and then just
> > switched back down to RGB again for final output. My next step is
> > the MIS sepia neautal inks with a guess at which curves to use. 
Paul
> > suggests 1280 for my 890 but they're not fully refined as yet.
> > 
> > I may be doing this all wrong but when I have tried duotones, the
> > histogram is devistated. Channel mixer is also useless to me as I
> > start with a B&W neg. What else is there? I seem to have no 
response
> > when I put up a post.
> > 
> > This sepia bizzo seems to be the hardest thing to get to grips 
with.
> > 
> > 
> > Garry Sarre
> > 
> > www.sarre.com.au
> > 
> > 
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