One other thing worth mentioning, I believe, but havnt substantiated, that the peizo inks are more opaque to uv than a densitometer will tell you. I've set my negatives density's to 1.0 or so on my densitometer and I believe I get pretty good range on my ziatypes. Unfortunately my time available for this is so sporadic I havnt arrived at any definite conclusions. Also I've written an excel spreadsheet that does the nescessary interpolation for generating new transfer functions or curves after printing and reading a step wedge. I'll put it up on the web for download when I get home tonight. Larry > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., lrryr@a... wrote: > > The only transparency material out there (that I know > > of) that will hold enough ink to get the density's > > needed is Pictorico OHP. > > > > The problems are: > > > > 1. Zero dot gain, any inconsistancy in the printing > > sticks out like a sore thumb, the dither patterns (and > > the peizo pattern) are painfully apparent. > > Larry, > > So what you are saying is that the ink does not spread amd absorb > into the media to hide imperfections. I guess this is where the very > small print head nozzles would be beneficial. > > A friend of mine is making 4x5 negatives on Pictorico OHP utilizing > Berkholder's methods. There are two ways he makes desktop negatives. > One is using color fill and the other is called something else. It > is this second method that Tom says works the best. His 4x5 Platinum > prints look as nice as his prints made from the duplicate negatives. > > The texture and properties of the fine art watercolor papers that > are coated with Platinum salts are much like the digital papers. The > inherently hide the imperfections. The platinum process is self > masking. That is the emulsion becomes less sensitive to exposure as > time goes on. So it is possible to gain detail in the highlights > without the risk of blocking up the shadow detail. I am not sure how > this helps, but I thought I would throw it onto the table. > > > 2. The dark end of the negative has an extreme image % > > vs print density curve that needs to be straightened. > > this is true with both the epson driver and the peizo > > driver. Applying a correction in curves with this > > results in noticeable posterization. If this could be > > handled in 16 bits in a rip, that may take care of it. > > I don't see why it could not. In fact, using CMYK inks to make the > negatives as colorized monochrome images, a standard RIP could be > used to take advantage of the RIPs dither, ink channel, reduction > and adjustment capabilities. > > > I'm glad to hear others are interested in pursueing this. > > I think that unless someone is having great success with making > negatives on a 1280, or 10000 and is willing to share the successes > publicly, this may be a long arduous process. > > I will eventually ask Martin and Antonis to include a digital > negative section in the Files area as a database so that we can all > share our triumphs and failures. > > Mike > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them > short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Digital Silver/Platinum
2002-05-01 by lrryr@attbi.com
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