Jeff, Wow, thanks for the details. This will keep me going for a while... Craig Spaulding --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "jrandall1149" <jrandall@c...> wrote: > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "craig_spaulding" > <craig_spaulding@y...> wrote: > > Jeff, > > > > I have several questions re your transfer curves technique: > > > > 1) Can the black and white points be set in Photoshop instead of > the > > scanner after the step-edge has been scanned? I work with a digital > > camera and my scanner is marginal and I don't think the black and > > white points can be set in the software. > > I've had better luck setting the b/w points during scanning than > setting in my image editing software (your results may vary). I use > VueScan as my scanning software and have found the histogram feature > to be very good. (www.hamrick.com). I use Picture Windows as my image > editing software because I think its curves/histogram feature is the > best of any editing package (I also use it for a lot more reasons, > but that's another post) (www.dl-c.com). I also have and occassionly > use PhotoShop 6.0 > > > > 2) Is this a technique for making a transfer curve or a curve that > > is to be applied in an adjustment layer? Once the curve is made, > can > > it be applied either place? > > Transfer curve and adjustment layer curves are essentially the same. > They both map an input value (in what ever units) to an output > value. Because they use different units they are not directly > interchangeable, but if you do the math you can create curves the do > the same thing in both worlds. > > > > 3) Is there a good method for going about modifying an existing > > curve (like the Woolf)? Do you click on the appropriate step in the > > step-wedge to find out where it is on the curve that step is, then > > use the up/down arrow or change the numbers in the dialog box? If > > so, is there a rhyme or reason for how much to change it to equally > > space out the peaks, or, is it all trial and error. Or, do you just > > focus on changing the general shape of the curve to space out the > > peaks? > > > Here is an approach that I used to create my RGB Partitioned Workflow > for the 1160 and MIS FS inkset (and modify the Woolf lumped > workflow). It works for me (your milage may vary) It is not a > complete cookbook and every nuance is not spelled out. > > 1) Print a quad purge image and scan using the procedure outlined in > step #3 to determine the approximate reflective values (I use the 0- > 100% scale) of each pure ink on the paper. Crop the image to > produce approximately equal areas of the 4 inks and white space. The > ink values determine the maximum "density" that can be > achieved by > each ink alone and serve as a guide to when the next darker shade > must be started. > 2) Apply a starter RGB partitioned curve set to a 21-step wedge test > image and then print. > [Note: I use the step wedge posted in the Files section of the Yahoo > Piezography3000 Group. The file is piezmultisteps.psd. It has > excellent low (95-100%), medium (45-55%), and high (0-5%) brightness > test areas to allow you to visually evaluate and set these benchmark > values. I initially used Paul Roark's curves he developed for the > Piezography BW inkset and the Epson driver.] > 3) I scan the print with my HP-5370 scanner using VueScan. VS > settings are: > * Crop = tightly set to only scan the narrow 21 step portion of the > test image. Don't include any of the grayscale ramp or the portion of > the 21 stepwedge with the light or dark separator lines. My goal is > to have 21 separate and narrow histogram peaks with little noise in > between. > * Color balance = auto levels. I use auto levels because it sets each > RGB curve to the b/w points neutral doesn't and white balance > doesn't do this well. > [Note: I don't care about the "color" of my > grayscaleall I'm > interested in is the overall/combined brightness.] > * B/W points set to clip the 0% (255) and 100% (0) gray value steps > to expand the range to the maximum. That is, set the 0% gray value > to the whiteness of my paper and the 100% gray value to the blackest > black I can print with the inkset. > * Scanning resolution = 150 dpi. > * Number of passes = 4. This reduces noise and increases peak > separation, especially in the dark end. The exact pixel alignment is > not an issue with a stepwedge print. > * File color space = AdobeRGB > * Grain reduction = heavy. This also seems to increase peak > separation in the dark end. > * Tiff file type = 24-bit RGB > 4) I open the Tiff file in Picture Windows and apply the Color|Curves > function which combines a curve and histogram view of the pixels. > [Note: The PW Color Curve and grayscale Brightness Curve functions > can both display the image value, lightness, or brightness of the > image in the HSV, HSL or RGB color spaces, respectively. I use the > HSV color space because it does a good job of separating the image > brightness component from the color components which I don't care > about. Image brightness in the RGB space is a weighted sum of each > RGB color and overall not as useful.] > 5) I note on a worksheet whether each of the remaining 19 peaks > needs to be moved lighter or darker and a relative amount. > 6) I then load and apply the RGB partitioned curve used to create > the tight crop of the 21 step wedge to my test image and adjust each > individual RGB curve (red=dark, green=medium, & blue=light gray), as > determined in Step #5. > 7) I then save the new RGB partitioned curve under a different name. > [Note: When I get close to where I want the peaks to be, I open the > Picture Windows RGB partitioned curve file (filename.cc) with a text > editor and manually change the values (which are stored as 0-255 > values) ] > 8) I then print the test image. > 9) Iterate until you are satisfied (or run out of paper or ink).
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Re: Transfer curves -- what's desirable?
2002-05-03 by craig_spaulding
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