Digital BW, The Print

Brian.

Many people have called and requested that Cone sell his RIP without 
the inks. they have been told that Piezography is a system. Please 
take a look at their website, I think you find the following....

PiezographyBW Pro one price includes drivers for all supported 
printers above and below. User can print to as many devices as they 
have printer ports for at no additional charge. 
EPSON 7000 
 $2130 
 
EPSON 7500 
 $2130 
 
EPSON 9000 
 $2495
 
EPSON 9500 
 $2495
 
The above information backs up my claim. If they sold it to you w/o 
the inks, then great, you are ahead of the curve.

Secondly, many of us have continually asked Jon Cone for paper 
profiles over the past year and a half. It literally took him months 
and months to release new profiles.

So what happens if you go out tomorrow and buy a new paper for a 
client that needs his job printed by next Wednesday. Will you be 
able to get an "ICQ" profile from Jon? Experience has shown that you 
may not be able to do so.

Brian, I am not lying (see above cone info) nor did I attack you. 
Obviously you are being hyper-sensitive and taking this stuff the 
wrong way. If you think that I am "not worth listening to" then by 
all means don't listen. That is up to you.

If you are "pissed" then perhaps you need to reassess what you allow 
to bother you. As for Cone wars, not true, we call it like we see 
it. Telling that truth about all products is what makes a "free 
agent" truly credible. The truth is some people are locked to a 
particular system or product. I use many including Cones Piezography 
(no longer on my 7000) but on my 1280. I have no issue with his 
software and do think that it is VERY GOOD as I have stated in the 
past.

His inks are less than stellar in my opinion. They clog and have a 
variety of other problems including a green dye or solvent that 
separates in a blot test as Paul Roard has shown.

I believe that you are taking these discussions out of context. I 
could understand you getting "pissed" if you are damages or lost 
money by a product, but if you are having good results with a 
software product then enjoy.

Also, check the archives of this list and you will see others who 
have contacted IJM to but the software only. They were told that IJM 
only sells the ink and driver as a package. If IJM has changed their 
policy, then I think all of the discussions on this forum have been 
worth while and productive.

Again, if you check the archives, I think you find that I have 
continually praised Jon Cone for his customer service and fine 
software product, you will also find that when it comes to real 
world clogging problems we discuss them openly and fairly....just 
ask Jim Hayes.

No, Brian there is no apology due. I stand by everything I wrote and 
in fact have backed it up with the facts from IJM's website. Should 
they revise their pricing schedule and change it on their website, 
then I think we will all agree that IJM is doing what their 
customers have asked, but Brian you have questioned my credibility, 
knowledge and took a statement of fact as infamatory and turned it 
into a personal attack.

My response here is cordial, civil, and factual. I will under no 
circumstances lower myself to make this personal.

Life is too short.

Mike


Secondly, 
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "magerabamb" 
<MagerabamB@n...> wrote:
> Mike,
> 
> Definitely Not True!
> 
> The Piezo Rip is not "around $2200". It is EXACTLY $1,500 
> which is what I paid for it at IJM and I was NOT required to buy 
> inks.
> 
> As for profiles, with nearly 50 really excellent papers supported 
> and more coming, why would I want a custom?  All you need to 
> do is ask Cone to profile new papers and you get them. The new 
> version however has K2L mapping and it lets me tune in profiles 
> to my liking anyway. 
> 
> 
> You used to be worth listening to, and now you have become the 
> propaganda king of this list. I read your negative Cone 
> comments which you make at every opportunity. I am losing 
> respect for you more and more each week.
> 
> I wouldn't have spoken my mind just now, but I resented being 
> told "not quite true..."    Worse yet is that you followed it up 
with an 
> outright lie. 
> 
> Just stick to the facts Mike and not your petty personal wars. You 
> certainly are mis-taken to pick on me. I am very ink neutral, 
> neither favoring PiezographyBW inks nor MIS inks.
> 
> pissed and owed an apology,
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Michael J. Kravit <
> mjkaia@k...> wrote:
> > Brian,
> > 
> > Not quite true.
> > 
> > The Piezo RIp is priced at around $2200. 
> > Still cheaper than the Piezo RIP and you get custom profiles for 
> any 
> > paper you want. Something Cone will not do.
> > 
> > Mike