Digital BW, The Print

I have been using the Piezo System (software and ink) on an 1160 and a 
3000 for more than one and a half year now. 
I switched to MIS FS on my 1160 at the advent of those inks but still use 
Cone inks on my 3000 (without mayor probklems). 
I have been running MIS VM inks with Paul´s curves on my 1290 and on my 
7500 and still use MIS VM on my 1290 but switched to IP4 with MIS FS on my =

7500. 

I did it on recommendation and with the gentle help of Mike Kravit. And I´m=
 
greatfull for his advise. Everything he told me online and offline in advan=
ce 
and during the setup procedure (which he accompanied) has become true.
 
I sent about 8 new 7500/MIS FS paper profile targets to Colorbyte some days=
 
ago, which hopefully are on their way across the ocean meanwhile, and the 
Colorbyte guys promised to profile the papers within two or three working 
days after getting them. (I´ll post them as soon as I get them.)
Bernd 









--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mkravit" <mjkaia@k...> wrote:
> 
> Brian.
> 
> Many people have called and requested that Cone sell his RIP without 
> the inks. they have been told that Piezography is a system. Please 
> take a look at their website, I think you find the following....
> 
> PiezographyBW Pro one price includes drivers for all supported 
> printers above and below. User can print to as many devices as they 
> have printer ports for at no additional charge. 
> EPSON 7000 
>  $2130 
>  
> EPSON 7500 
>  $2130 
>  
> EPSON 9000 
>  $2495
>  
> EPSON 9500 
>  $2495
>  
> The above information backs up my claim. If they sold it to you w/o 
> the inks, then great, you are ahead of the curve.
> 
> Secondly, many of us have continually asked Jon Cone for paper 
> profiles over the past year and a half. It literally took him months 
> and months to release new profiles.
> 
> So what happens if you go out tomorrow and buy a new paper for a 
> client that needs his job printed by next Wednesday. Will you be 
> able to get an "ICQ" profile from Jon? Experience has shown that you 
> may not be able to do so.
> 
> Brian, I am not lying (see above cone info) nor did I attack you. 
> Obviously you are being hyper-sensitive and taking this stuff the 
> wrong way. If you think that I am "not worth listening to" then by 
> all means don't listen. That is up to you.
> 
> If you are "pissed" then perhaps you need to reassess what you allow 
> to bother you. As for Cone wars, not true, we call it like we see 
> it. Telling that truth about all products is what makes a "free 
> agent" truly credible. The truth is some people are locked to a 
> particular system or product. I use many including Cones Piezography 
> (no longer on my 7000) but on my 1280. I have no issue with his 
> software and do think that it is VERY GOOD as I have stated in the 
> past.
> 
> His inks are less than stellar in my opinion. They clog and have a 
> variety of other problems including a green dye or solvent that 
> separates in a blot test as Paul Roard has shown.
> 
> I believe that you are taking these discussions out of context. I 
> could understand you getting "pissed" if you are damages or lost 
> money by a product, but if you are having good results with a 
> software product then enjoy.
> 
> Also, check the archives of this list and you will see others who 
> have contacted IJM to but the software only. They were told that IJM 
> only sells the ink and driver as a package. If IJM has changed their 
> policy, then I think all of the discussions on this forum have been 
> worth while and productive.
> 
> Again, if you check the archives, I think you find that I have 
> continually praised Jon Cone for his customer service and fine 
> software product, you will also find that when it comes to real 
> world clogging problems we discuss them openly and fairly....just 
> ask Jim Hayes.
> 
> No, Brian there is no apology due. I stand by everything I wrote and 
> in fact have backed it up with the facts from IJM's website. Should 
> they revise their pricing schedule and change it on their website, 
> then I think we will all agree that IJM is doing what their 
> customers have asked, but Brian you have questioned my credibility, 
> knowledge and took a statement of fact as infamatory and turned it 
> into a personal attack.
> 
> My response here is cordial, civil, and factual. I will under no 
> circumstances lower myself to make this personal.
> 
> Life is too short.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> Secondly, 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "magerabamb" 
> <MagerabamB@n...> wrote:
> > Mike,
> > 
> > Definitely Not True!
> > 
> > The Piezo Rip is not "around $2200". It is EXACTLY $1,500 
> > which is what I paid for it at IJM and I was NOT required to buy 
> > inks.
> > 
> > As for profiles, with nearly 50 really excellent papers supported 
> > and more coming, why would I want a custom?  All you need to 
> > do is ask Cone to profile new papers and you get them. The new 
> > version however has K2L mapping and it lets me tune in profiles 
> > to my liking anyway. 
> > 
> > 
> > You used to be worth listening to, and now you have become the 
> > propaganda king of this list. I read your negative Cone 
> > comments which you make at every opportunity. I am losing 
> > respect for you more and more each week.
> > 
> > I wouldn't have spoken my mind just now, but I resented being 
> > told "not quite true..."    Worse yet is that you followed it up 
> with an 
> > outright lie. 
> > 
> > Just stick to the facts Mike and not your petty personal wars. You 
> > certainly are mis-taken to pick on me. I am very ink neutral, 
> > neither favoring PiezographyBW inks nor MIS inks.
> > 
> > pissed and owed an apology,
> > 
> > Brian
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Michael J. Kravit <
> > mjkaia@k...> wrote:
> > > Brian,
> > > 
> > > Not quite true.
> > > 
> > > The Piezo RIp is priced at around $2200. 
> > > Still cheaper than the Piezo RIP and you get custom profiles for 
> > any 
> > > paper you want. Something Cone will not do.
> > > 
> > > Mike