Digital BW, The Print

Hi Bo,

I just told you what is on the system I use and sell. However, it is for MIS
to answer if that is the tubing they use (i.e. that you have on your
system).

However, I would dispute with you that it (the tygon tubing) is 'sh..t'! I
follow your logic on the possible loss of liquid from the ink-lines, but I
disagree... and whether or not you have that actual make/model of tubing is
not necessarily true by default... indeed, if it is not written on the
tubes... it possibly is not.

I understand that you probably have to change the tubes yourself anyway,
given that yours are greased up, but I would disagree that the size of the
tube is not important. This is my gut feeling, I do not have scientific
knowledge. But, too thin, and I think you will have problems due to
resistance and limited ink flow. Too thick, and possible problems due to
loss of any kind of capillary action and too much weight of ink for the
print head to pull ink (or the support bar to hold, or the print head to
shift back and forth, who knows?).

It is not helpful to scare people when the absolute majority of users are
working fine with their CIS / CFS / whatever with what they have... and have
in many cases been running for a long time.

Should your post and your knowledge be ignored? No. But to vent your anger
at one product part because you have had a problem _in_ it is not
necessarily correct. Even though you have some apparently scientific
evidence as to why it might be a problem, it does not make it _the_
problem... just 'maybe'... or perhaps a number of problems came together to
cause your problem!

What are MIS doing to help you?

I wish you well in resolving your problems!

best regards,
nij

Nigel Rheam
MWORDS Limited   www.mwords.co.uk   Digital Fine Art






> -----Original Message-----
> From: sm7bxd [mailto:sm7bxd@...]
> Sent: 15 May 2002 05:31
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: RED ALERT - Attension - MIS Black!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hi - I have been investigating all night -
>
> look at this "Chemfluor\ufffd FEP Tubing"  it's 55 Shore soft I was
> thinking of that when doing this "job" - the same as the "old bad
> ones"! The same Shore softness as the ones we have - Nij said it was
> "Tygon\ufffd Vacuum Tubing Formulation R-3603" and it has also 55 Shore.
>
> Bingo!
>
> Have the look here:
>
> http://www.tygon.com/new/europe/english/en_europe_index.html
>
> Scroll this side until you find it! It has as I see it everything
> I'm looking for - perhaps I'll call England or France tomorrow (hmmm.
> today...that is)
>
> I want this solved - give a damn what it costs - it is just some
> tubes of quality I want! That can't be a fortune!
> Maybee the fright is higher...not unusal bying smal no nonce things!
>
>
> For now I think it is what I'm looking for - shall also talk to my
> friens "hospitalengineer/designer" about it - It's exacly how he
> described what to look for. And it has the same "softness" as the
> ones that we use now! But that's not all - perhaps som inovation is
> to be done - they don't give the diameters on the web - however -
> with some fittings that shall be of no problems.
>
> I was thinking of some selfclosing connections I found anyway - to
> ease maintenance and cleaning! They are made in a way that most small
> tubes fit and also if not the exact dimension is found (it's
> european) and are certainly made in the metric system) they may also
> help to connect to the cartriges - using the "old bad" tube to
> connect to the new "real ones". The selfclosing connection is conic
> in bothe directions and you just cut a bit of the cone to meke them
> perfect!
>
> That's it!
>
> Two -three hours sleep now - and then on it again calling England or
> France and have a talk!
>
> They must have resellers in Scandinavia as well!
>
> Problems - hard (somtimes amusing) work - sulution!
> Most of anything is out there - the industri must run - we benefit
> that!
>
> Throw out old bad cheap things that don't cost to begin with!
>
> Still I'm a bit upset - seeing what you can get - but an eloge to Nij,
> if he hadn't told me what "sh..t" that we used - I would have to do
> one more day of work to find out!
> Thanks again NIJ!
> Thanks again Jeff!
>
> This is how discussiongroups schould work!
>
>
> Non plus Ultra!
>
> Here You fellows soon!
>
> Regards
>
> Bo Wrangborg
> Made in Sweden