Digital BW, The Print

Hi Julian,

I believe you are mistaken about Yahoo's privacy statement. They 
don't want people posting copyrighted materials into their own 
servers. This is not what I did. 

In this case, I subscribed to the mailing list and received emails
sent by whoever posted them. Yahoo acted as a post office to 
distribute the mail. I don't believe that it gives them any 
ownership on the material they transported.

As for the copyrights of the authors of messages, I do acknowledge 
them and that is why I will remove messages of those who request it.

Brad Templeton, the chairman of the EFF (Electronic Frontier 
Foundation, the leading foundation protecting liberties and privacy
in cyberspace) has a web page at: 

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

which explains in layman's terms copyright law applied to the 
internet. In particular, it says:

" 10) "They e-mailed me a copy, so I can post it." 
To have a copy is not to have the copyright. All the E-mail you write
is copyrighted. However, E-mail is not, unless previously agreed,
secret. So you can certainly report on what E-mail you are sent, and
reveal what it says. You can even quote parts of it to demonstrate. 
Frankly, somebody who sues over an ordinary message would almost 
surely get no damages, because the message has no commercial value,
but if you want to stay strictly in the law, you should ask first. On
the other hand, don't go nuts if somebody posts E-mail you sent them.
If it was an ordinary non-secret personal letter of minimal 
commercial value with no copyright notice (like 99.9% of all E-mail),
you probably won't get any damages if you sue them. Note as well 
that, the law aside, keeping private correspondence private is a 
courtesy one should usually honour. "

Because in this case the correspondance was not secret (indeed it 
is archived in a public, open to all, web site), I don't think I 
committed a serious offense. If I did, then Google groups and a 
multitude of other sites are guilty as well.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas" 
<julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> this is not off topic as whatever is posted to this group may be 
used,
> without permission, by a commercial venture. what you think doesn't 
matter,
> just check the statements made by Yahoo about what people are 
allowed to do
> with posts to Yahoo listservs. They are very specific. They 
specifically
> exclude the appearance of posts made to a yahoo list on another 
site. They
> even have a standard form to fill in to notify them of copyright 
violation.
> I've filled it in.
> 
> Julian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ricardo Lagos" <ricardo@s...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] The Photo Binbook - a new resource about
> Photography
> 
> 
> > I am still very surprised by the level of response to the 
binbook -- some
> of
> > the posts are just shy of threatening legal action ..
> >
> > .. i think that the posts that we've all made to this forum are 
hardly a
> > money making venture -- BW digital photography is in such a state 
of
> > infancy -- that sharing information will create a market where 
money can
> be
> > made -- but not sharing that information will not further the 
market ..
> >
> > these posts are freely available -- and wether i can see them on
> > www.yahoo.com .. or www.photobinbook.com .. makes a small 
difference --
> that
> > a court would have to decide over -- not users in the BW forum..
> >
> > .. i think that as long as greg provides a way for users to 
remove their
> > posts from the archive .. he's done his part ..
> >
> > .. i wonder if we can move this thread to off-line discussion -- 
since the
> > rest of the group does not need another storm of OFF-TOPIC posts.
> >
> > -- ricardo
> >
> >
> >
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