Digital BW, The Print

Greg,

I'm sure you'd have got us all willingly if you'd have offered a list-host
solution with email and on-line connect options, but without the intrusive
adverts.

Disregarding any fine lines of legality that may or may not be present, I
feel you have crossed a moral line, and I am therefore asking you to remove
posts made by me from your site, and indeed any of my comments that people
may have quoted in their emails.

Thank you,

Nij




> -----Original Message-----
> From: greg_pop [mailto:greg@...]
> Sent: 15 May 2002 20:47
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] The Photo Binbook - a new resource about
> Photography
>
>
> Hi Julian,
>
> I believe you are mistaken about Yahoo's privacy statement. They
> don't want people posting copyrighted materials into their own
> servers. This is not what I did.
>
> In this case, I subscribed to the mailing list and received emails
> sent by whoever posted them. Yahoo acted as a post office to
> distribute the mail. I don't believe that it gives them any
> ownership on the material they transported.
>
> As for the copyrights of the authors of messages, I do acknowledge
> them and that is why I will remove messages of those who request it.
>
> Brad Templeton, the chairman of the EFF (Electronic Frontier
> Foundation, the leading foundation protecting liberties and privacy
> in cyberspace) has a web page at:
>
> http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html
>
> which explains in layman's terms copyright law applied to the
> internet. In particular, it says:
>
> " 10) "They e-mailed me a copy, so I can post it."
> To have a copy is not to have the copyright. All the E-mail you write
> is copyrighted. However, E-mail is not, unless previously agreed,
> secret. So you can certainly report on what E-mail you are sent, and
> reveal what it says. You can even quote parts of it to demonstrate.
> Frankly, somebody who sues over an ordinary message would almost
> surely get no damages, because the message has no commercial value,
> but if you want to stay strictly in the law, you should ask first. On
> the other hand, don't go nuts if somebody posts E-mail you sent them.
> If it was an ordinary non-secret personal letter of minimal
> commercial value with no copyright notice (like 99.9% of all E-mail),
> you probably won't get any damages if you sue them. Note as well
> that, the law aside, keeping private correspondence private is a
> courtesy one should usually honour. "
>
> Because in this case the correspondance was not secret (indeed it
> is archived in a public, open to all, web site), I don't think I
> committed a serious offense. If I did, then Google groups and a
> multitude of other sites are guilty as well.
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas"
> <julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> > this is not off topic as whatever is posted to this group may be
> used,
> > without permission, by a commercial venture. what you think doesn't
> matter,
> > just check the statements made by Yahoo about what people are
> allowed to do
> > with posts to Yahoo listservs. They are very specific. They
> specifically
> > exclude the appearance of posts made to a yahoo list on another
> site. They
> > even have a standard form to fill in to notify them of copyright
> violation.
> > I've filled it in.
> >
> > Julian
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ricardo Lagos" <ricardo@s...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] The Photo Binbook - a new resource about
> > Photography
> >
> >
> > > I am still very surprised by the level of response to the
> binbook -- some
> > of
> > > the posts are just shy of threatening legal action ..
> > >
> > > .. i think that the posts that we've all made to this forum are
> hardly a
> > > money making venture -- BW digital photography is in such a state
> of
> > > infancy -- that sharing information will create a market where
> money can
> > be
> > > made -- but not sharing that information will not further the
> market ..
> > >
> > > these posts are freely available -- and wether i can see them on
> > > www.yahoo.com .. or www.photobinbook.com .. makes a small
> difference --
> > that
> > > a court would have to decide over -- not users in the BW forum..
> > >
> > > .. i think that as long as greg provides a way for users to
> remove their
> > > posts from the archive .. he's done his part ..
> > >
> > > .. i wonder if we can move this thread to off-line discussion --
> since the
> > > rest of the group does not need another storm of OFF-TOPIC posts.
> > >
> > > -- ricardo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
> Polls and
> > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> > >
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> > >
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> header.
> > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
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> > > - Complete your Yahoo profile.
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
> Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - Include your full name with your message.
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier
> messages to keep them short.
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
> "flames."
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the
> various resources on the homepage.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>