Digital BW, The Print

Well, let's not discuss this forever. We were excited about 
what we had achieved and we truely were expecting a very 
favorable response from this group. We thought that the 
conversations featured in the Photo Binbook really captured the 
essence of what made this group great. Needless to say the last
couple of days were very disheartening for us. We really can't
see why the aggregation of public knowledge and postings 
would be detrimental to anyone. By that rationale Google groups 
should be outlawed as well! And if this was meant to be a private 
society who don't want to share information with the outside, 
why make the archives public? 

I personally thought that this group was the greatest place, where 
knowledgable people were selflessly sharing information for 
the benefit of all. I still think this is the case for most of 
the 1495 members, but the response we got from a handfull of people
is what is we need to deal with.

I'll continue reading this group, because I enjoy it, but not
regularly so I may not answer further questions timely. I want 
to express my sincere gratefulness to those of you who supported
our project, to those who said nothing and even to those who objected 
because I want to believe that everyone is sincere. 

Best regards,

Gregory Popovitch
Binbooks Corporation

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Popovitch" <greg@g...>
> To: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@e...>
> Cc: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 12:51 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] RE: The Photo Binbook
> 
> 
> >
> > Hello Martin and Antonis,
> >
> > I don't believe you are correct when you state that we have
> > violated Yahoo's "Terms of Service". I also don't believe
> > that you have the authority to request that we remove posts
> > from anyone besides yourself.
> 
> Greg,
> 
> I didn't know you needed "authority" to make a "request." <G>
> 
> Specifically I believe you are in violation of Article 10 of the 
TOS:
> 
> "10. NO RESALE OF SERVICE
> You agree not to reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, resell or 
exploit for any
> commercial purposes, any portion of the Service, use of the 
Service, or
> access to the Service."
> Which you agreed to by getting a Yahoo account and joining the 
Group.
> >
> > However, we have decided that we will indeed remove all posts
> > from this group while we investigate this further. Of course
> > the posts of individuals who request so will be permanently
> > removed.
> 
> Thank you for your decision to remove the posts from this list.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@e...]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:17 PM
> > To: greg@g...; gregory@b...
> > Cc: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> > Subject: The Photo Binbook
> >
> >
> > Gregory,
> >
> > After reviewing the binbook discussion we, as the Group's owners, 
have
> > reached a position on the matter.
> >
> > While our intent is to disseminate information about the many 
techniques
> of
> > producing a B&W print from a digital file, we take exception to 
your
> > approach.
> >
> > We feel that it would have been appropriate for you to have first
> approached
> > the Group owners about your project, then to have brought up the 
subject
> > with the entire Group, and finally obtained permission from each
> individual
> > to reproduce each individual post and to publish their e-mail 
address.
> >
> > We also feel that the commercial nature of your project is at 
odds with
> the
> > "commercial free" policy of the Group.
> >
> > We are in agreement with earlier posts that you have violated 
Yahoo's
> "Terms
> > of Service," you have broken copyright laws and you have breached 
the
> > privacy of the members whose e-mail addresses you have posted. 
(You are
> > apparently unaware that the sender's e-mail address is not posted 
to the
> > Group list that is open to the public but are only sent out with 
e-mailed
> > copies which is only available to members of the Group.)
> >
> > Please remove all posts you have copied from the Yahoo! User 
Group,
> "Digital
> > B&W, The Print," from your site immediately. If you do not comply 
with
> this
> > request, your membership in the Group will be banned. We will 
also contact
> > Yahoo to inform them of your breach of the Terms of Service and 
your
> > copyright violations.
> >
> > This message will also be posted to the list and we will ask 
Group members
> > to monitor your site for compliance.
> >
> > Martin Wesley
> > Antonis Ricos
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and
> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> >
> > Please follow these basic guidelines:
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> > - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier 
messages to keep
> them short.
> > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject 
header.
> > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
> "flames."
> > - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the 
various
> resources on the homepage.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >