Digital BW, The Print

Todd,

> Why do you keep suggesting I conduct tests you know I've conducted many
> times over.

I knew you did some tests, but I do not remember what the results were.  I
am very busy, and have a LOT of things going on, so I'm sorry if I don't
remember the details here.

> You don't want to show your results, fine, just admit it,

I was only making a suggestion that others (there are other people in the
discussion I believe) should simply do the experiment for themselves.  I
have never had any problem showing my "results".  Too bad you didn't ask for
something like this before I sent you that package of prints, and I might
have been able to accommodate you easily at that time.

> but
> please stop telling me to do what you know I've done.

Sorry, I don't remember that you specifically did THESE tests for THIS
purpose.

> As for others, not everybody does have the capability to conduct these
> tests, and all they hear is "it's image dependant", or from you that your
> images posterize EASILY.

I did not say my images posterize easily.  I CAN make them posterize easily,
but that's not my goal.  I make corrections to make appropriate tonal
adjustments, not to posterize them.  What I found was that doing 8 bit tonal
manipulations DOES make some of the ones I did 8 bit manipulations to
posterize.

> My article demonstrated that many of my
> images can
> take robust manipulations without detriment

I will have to take the time to read your "article" then and understand what
it is you did.

How did you get the Leaf to give you an 8 bit scan without any tonal
correction?

> It could help to explain WHY there is debate at all on the subject,

Because someone made a claim that isn't entirely true.  Of course you can do
tonal manipulations on 8 bit files, and I've never said otherwise, but not
ALL images and not ALL tonal moves, without losing some tonality.  It's a
fact.  Why argue with it, when there is an easy solution that gives you
guaranteed results?  Do all the tonal manipulations you want in 8 bits if
you're happy with the results, I found I was not.

> Now, if you don't care enough to put the energy into it I FULLY understand
> that, but please stop making it seems like it's other peoples
> unwillingness.

That's absolutely not the case.  I feel it is better to have people learn to
do their own experiments properly and share the results.  I have shared my
results.  You apparently don't like my results, as they differ from yours.
I haven't seen YOUR prints, or the files or anything, I have from you just
what you have from me, your verbal results.

Regards,

Austin