Digital BW, The Print

Darren,
I quote you:

"It's the film guys that should be feeling depressed about their
dying craft!

Darren."

End Quot!

Those words gave me the fighting spirit - I have temper - good and 
bad - (not always good for me!) but out of one out of sixtyfour in my 
main Club -
Yes Yes - - some of them not admitting they buoght an Olympus Digital 
Camera - excause "for the fun and and family" - I killed some of them 
showing prints in b/w quad in 8x10 by my Sony DSP 707 - I might be to 
hard on them - but they don't call me to get an advice, they still 
say "for family".

Then showing my Hasselblade - Minolta multi Pro scaned pictures - 
Photoshop - Quad / Piezo on my three 1290's - they stop talking - I'm 
not clean.

"I'm disturbing equilibrium there - for sure!" But having "temper" it 
is not easy to get the arguments to fit in!

Telling them what it costs, telling them about Hahnemülle, telling 
them the hours to get there - they go for the coffee table - talking 
about there latest Nikonzooms (I hate zooms -  zooms are indeed 
not "clean" to me - that's for journalism../smile/)
(Hit some toes there....you are welcome...) 

I'm not going passiv anylonger - there is something going to happen 
at that club - also having several pros. working for different 
magazines and papers (I know they go digital - I have seen them in 
action Canon and Nikon Dig. cameras....the lences are the same...but 
at the Club..silence...talking with them .... silver ... 
fix ...HD11..Rodinal....old times...etc etc.."forced to by their 
employer"..etc..etc)

Hi - I don't get it!

Next time I'll speak load - and after that ...I'll speak load .....
*and* now in the summer I'll prepare a full collection of 
*experimental* photos - make them as big as I can - fill the walls as 
much as I can.

I'll try to take over the show /smile/ .... and with my 
temper....there will be *no* silence!

I'll occupy the coffee table - and if they don't like my presence
there - they are forced to go to the *experimental photo wall* /smile/

Thanks Darren - we are few doing quad/piezo - but You gave me the 
spirit to fight for it.

My wife's advice - "don't go there anylonger if You feel bad - You 
know you temper!" has changed - I'll use that "temper" insted - I'll 
also show them my drawings and sketches in 0.80-1.20 m in dimension 
to do it realy experimental I'll do the same scetches as my 
*experimental photos* but as said larger than A3+.

Thanks Darren - I'll fight for it - let my hart not beat too hard!


Regards
Bo Wrangborg
Moderator "multipro" at Yahoo
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/multipro  



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Darren Collins" 
<collinda@n...> wrote:
> I agree with you that this whole digital vs. film, inkjet vs. 'wet' 
prints
> competition is annoying. I am lucky that it doesn't seem as severe 
here as
> it does in your country, Bo.
> 
> A lot of film people are scared of what they don't understand. They 
spend
> long hours trying to take and develop the perfect image, and they 
think that
> we can just snap off any old image and turn it into a competition 
winner
> using Photoshop. They really don't understand the digital process. 
It's not
> the same as film, but it is just as complicated.
> 
> Many of these traditional photographers have spent a large part of 
their
> lifetime learning their craft, and they fear that digital 
techniques devalue
> their hard-earned skills. I can understand their feelings, but this 
fear
> stems from ignorance. I call it 'fear of the dark'.
> 
> Instead of arguing with them, I just try to create the best images 
I can
> with the equipment and skills I have. I enjoy creating an image 
that gets
> people talking and asking questions about digital techniques. I 
also enjoy
> learning photography techniques off the film people and applying 
them to my
> digital work. Composition, colour, lighting, framing, etc are the 
same for
> us all.
> 
> Don't be too worried about being relegated to the 'experimental' 
group.
> Enjoy it there, and create images that impress people. They'll 
start to ask
> you questions, especially the ones thinking of going digital. The 
more
> people you 'convert', the better the competition will get in your 
category.
> And then they'll finally start to appreciate your efforts when they
> comprehend the reality of creating digital images. You might even 
be able to
> recruit new club members that hadn't joined in the past because 
they thought
> it was only for film guys.
> 
> It's only a matter of time until the digital photographers 
outnumber the
> traditional photographers in camera clubs. You and I have the 
advantage of
> being there at the start, so we're likely to be the ones that the 
club will
> come to for advice when the weight of numbers forces them to 
reconsider
> their rules. If that doesn't happen as soon as you'd like, at least 
you'll
> have met a few more digital photographers who might be interested 
in forming
> a new club (or a special interest group within your current club) 
with you.
> 
> Don't forget that you can always enter prints in international 
competitions,
> too. The local club should keep you informed of upcoming events 
(mine does),
> and most of the internationals are fine with digital prints 
nowadays.
> Imagine coming back to your club with an international prize, when 
they
> won't even let you compete in their normal competitions! That'll 
show them
> how backwards they are!
> 
> I hope this helps you feel more positive about the future of digital
> photography. It's the film guys that should be feeling depressed 
about their
> dying craft!
> 
> Darren.
> 
> 
> 
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