Digital BW, The Print

Julian, 

I completely agree with you on this.  

Testing and testing...one activity. 

Making photos and making prints is another.  

Steadman
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Julian Thomas 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 11:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] MIS-FS test and PiezoTone test


  I think far too much is written about these things. I know Piezo users who
  disparage other inksets without trying them, and MIS users who have opinions
  about Piezo without ever having used it. The only answer is to try carts of
  all the systems, on your system and your paper, with your images. For those
  of us with the piezo driver it really is cheap and easy to try all the
  available options.

  Julian
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Steadman Uhlich" <steadmanuhlich@...>
  To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 5:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] MIS-FS test and PiezoTone test


  > Della,
  >
  > An interesting post.
  >
  > It is remarkable how the various testing methods and testers  can come up
  with different conclusions (just like medical research)...
  >
  > It does seem to me (too) that looking at the "big picture" (all inks in
  total on the print) is the most important test...as those four inks are the
  ones making the final image...so a more holistic approach eh?
  >
  > Thanks for posting,
  >
  > Steadman
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: dellaellingson
  >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  >   Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 1:59 PM
  >   Subject: [Digital BW] MIS-FS test and PiezoTone test
  >
  >   Paul's black ink only test misled me yesterday. I am not saying that
  >   Paul did this test to cast a doubt on the new PiezoTone inks. But I
  >   thought after seeing it that MIS-FS inks would not fade warm. However,
  >   the new tests which use all four inks that Antonis posted today tell
  >   another picture completely different from Paul's test. If I want to
  >   test drive a car I want all four tires, not just one. If I am
  >   interested in comparison of prints made with one quadblack inkset to
  >   prints made with another quadblack inkset then I want to see all inks,
  >   not just black.
  >
  >
  >   These are more representative to me - click to see for yourself:
  >
  >   A print made with MIS-FS inks fades warm and looks lighter
  >   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhite
  >   ThePrint/files/Ink%20Sets/PiezoTones/PiezoTone%20v
  >   s%20MIS-FS/misfs-lg.jpg
  >
  >   A print made with PiezoTone inks will not fade warm
  >   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhite
  >   ThePrint/files/Ink%20Sets/PiezoTones/PiezoTone%20v
  >   s%20MIS-FS/piezotone-lg.jpg
  >
  >   The new tests are conducted with a Xenon which is a standard. You see
  >   this everywhere there is accountability, so I know it is designed in
  >   fairness. Companies which provide this type of professional testing do
  >   so that they can be non-objective.
  >
  >   Paul admited to us earlier on the list that the MIS-FS ink, like all
  >   the quad blacks, warmed noticeably. Therefore this new PiezoTone
  >   inkset is a great improvement because it does not warm. It is a new
  >   invention and I subscribe to this list to find out this information. I
  >   am glad I read list this morning too.
  >
  >
  >   -della
  >
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