Digital BW, The Print

Haven't had a lot of experience with photo rag because of the cost. I
seem to remember it is nearly the same as Epson Archival, as far as
settings go though.

Yes, I use Eclipse Satine all the time.

The Hahnemuhle papers all have deeper blacks than any other paper maker
that I've ever seen. Their blacks are REALLY black. Some have flaking
problems, so wipe down each sheet of paper with a soft rag or soft brush
before printing on it, and store them carefully. Don't shuffle them in a
stack like you would the epson papers. They are more delicate.

Jerry

impact4u2 wrote:
> 
> Jerry,
> 
> Have you tried Eclipse Satine?  How does an image printed on Satine (Bright
> White) compare to Hahnemuhle Photo Rag using Paul's curves and the MIS
> VM inkset?  I am using a G4 , the 1280, and the neutral curve.  I have been
> using EAM and Satine with good results (I took your advice and make a levels
> adjustment on Satine bringing the middle bar to 85).  What adjustments are
> necessary, using EAM as a proofing standard, when switching to Photo Rag
> (you say 'nearly' identical)?  Is it the same as Satine?
> 
> Jerry Campbell
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > Royal Renaissance is the Media Street name for Photo Rag. It's a
> > hahnemuhle paper, and has fantastic quality, and deep blacks. One of the
> > best papers there is. Yes, there is a good and bad side for printing.
> > Using Paul Roark's curves and the MIS VM inkset, the print settings are
> > nearly identical to those I use for Epson Archival Matte paper.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Jim Panzer wrote:
> > >
> > >     Thanks for the tips Martin and Steadman!
> > >
> > >     I did do a print over the weekend that I have printed before on EAM.  On
> > > the EAM I have been very happy with the way it turns out, all though when
> I
> > > did the same print on the Royal Ren. the picture was washed out and very
> > > gray toned, no real blacks and no real whites, but I printed the same way I
> > > do with the EAM, and the EAM looks great in my humble opinion.  I am just
> > > wondering where I went wrong?  This may sounds silly but is there a
> > > preferred side to print on with this paper?  I looked for the paper work but
> > > could find anything that stated one side over the other, all though the
> > > surfaces do feel different.  I will probably just do an experiment using the
> > > other side, it's just this stuff isn't cheap as I am sure you all know.
> > >
> > >     If your going to print and you just want to increase the blacks in you
> > > images is the general way of doing this through curves?  OK, thanks
> again.
> > >
> > > Jim P
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@e...]
> > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:13 PM
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Royal Renaissance tips?
> > >
> > > Jim,
> > >
> > > Tyler's RGB separation curves for MIS-VM ink and the Epson 1280 were
> > > specifically made for Hahnemuhle Photo Rag, aka Media Streets Royal
> Ren. So
> > > if you use the proper settings for those curves you will be right on target,
> > > even better than on EAM. I generally never change the paper thickness
> lever
> > > on my 1280's. The 189 gsm feeds just fine.
> > >
> > > I don't know if spraying this paper will gain you much.
> > >
> > > I have never used it for color. You will have to experiment with the driver
> > > settings or have a custom ink/paper profile made which is probably the
> best
> > > way to go. You might want to ask that question on the Archival Color list,
> > > too.
> > >
> > > Martin Wesley
> > > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> > > <http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html>
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jim Panzer" <jimp@r...>
> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:32 PM
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Royal Renaissance tips?
> > >
> > > >     Hi, well, I received my box of Media Streets Royal Ren. 189gm paper
> > > > today.  I have been using only Epson AM until now.  I was wondering if
> > > > anyone might have any tips they could possibly give me before I start
> > > > printing?  Like which paper type do I choose, and should I use the (+)
> > > > setting on my printer for thinker paper.  Also, should I spray this paper
> > > > afterwards with krylon UV#1305?  I am printing on an Epson 1280 with
> MIS
> > > VM,
> > > > through Photoshop using mostly Tyler's colder curves.  Is this paper
> good
> > > > for color also?  I am using an Epson 820 with stock inks for color too,
> > > but
> > > > mostly I do black and white.  Thanks in advance, take care.
> > > >
> > > > Jim P
> > > >
> > > >
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