Digital BW, The Print

Jerry,

I really don't recommend the dye-based FS I mixed.  It is a curiosity, but
you'll probably have rapid fading and warming -- it's untested but pure dye.
I'm really only doing this for the internegative possibilities.

Surprisingly, the MIS dye K is rather cool -- too cool for my tastes.  It is
especially cool on Photo Rag, which seems to exaggerate colors compared to
EAM.

I think the Gen enhanced K is the one to stick with for more blackness than
the VM K.  After that the fading and warming gets to a point where you might
notice it.

Paul

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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:38 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] You want deep black? (Jerry - was Piezography
Software & Inks)


  Paul, Will the FS inks have better blacks than the combination I'm now
  using in my 1280?  (VM inks, Generations enhanced blacks, your cool
  curve) I'm still hoping for a deeper black than I'm getting. A 2.17
  black should be amazing. I can get a deeper black with the backlight
  film setting, but sometimes this causes too many shadow tones to go to
  black. (Not always though) .  Please let me know if any inkset you are
  working with has better blacks than the ones I'm now using.  Pure
  neutral tones are fine. They don't have to be cold. Just as long as
  there isn't even a HINT of brown in them.

  Jerry

  Paul Roark wrote:
  >
  > Jerry,
  >
  > The great black I measured was the MIS DYE black on Epson Photo paper.
I
  > don't think it's new.  I'm sure it fades quickly -- like all dyes I'm
aware
  > of.  (The paper advances have helped dyes considerably, apparently.)
  >
  > I now have a dye-based FS/Piezo-compatible inkset in the 1160.  On Photo
  > Paper, I'm printing Piezo software prints with blacks measuring 2.17.
With
  > the Epson driver and RGB workflow, the blacks are an astounding 2.30 --
  > better than silver prints, I believe.   The RGB curve needs some
tweaking,
  > but that will wait until have the FS-Dye formula perfected more.  The
Piezo
  > prints have almost perfectly even steps already, but I'm just starting
this
  > experiment.
  >
  > Paul
  > http://www.PaulRoark.com
  >
  > __________________________________
  >   -----Original Message-----
  >   From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...]
  >   Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:47 AM
  >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  >   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] You want deep black? (Jerry - was
Piezography
  > Software & Inks)
  >
  >   Paul, Has MIS changed its formula, or added a new black?  What's the
  >   fade rate on it as compared to the generations enhanced black? They
have
  >   so many inks, one can get really confused with them. Which of the MIS
  >   blacks are you speaking of? Or do they only have one dye black?
  >   Have you heard anything at all on the inks that the 2200 will be
using?
  >
  >   Jerry
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