Digital BW, The Print

Martin, I have 25 sheets of photo rag, and I have tried it. It is
magnificent. But even at Media street under Royal renaissance it is too
expensive for everyday use. It is fine, of course for photos that I sell.

It prints as well as any hahnemuhle paper, and a little blacker than
most, it seems. Wells river is gorgeous in TONES but the flaking is just
unreal with this paper.

What do you think of the Photo rag for epson 1280 color inks?  I'm
looking for a really nice paper that will last at least as long as the
26 years claimed by epson for their 1280 color inkset. I have run fade
tests with this ink, south window, etc, and it doesn't fade at all to
the eye, even after 2 months in the sun. So it should really be good for
26 years under glass, I would think. Anyway, at the low prices I sell
for, I'm not going to worry about it, as I don't sell a lot of color.
The Recommended Epson heavyweight matte is not nearly heavy enough for me.

jerry

Martin Wesley wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photo Rag longevity versus EHM with Epson dye
> inks?
> 
> > Nope, I absolutely hate  the rc look. Tacky Tacky Tacky!!! Cheap!
> > Commercial! Ugh!
> >
> > (In my humble opinion, of course.).
> 
> Jerry,
> 
> That's about what I thought you would say. <G>
> >
> > Brightcube says Eclipse satine is good with dyes or pigments. That and
> > the Photo Matte are what I use most often. Photo Rag is indeed
> > wonderful, but too expensive for me.
> 
> Give it a try and let me know what you think.
> 
> Martin
> >
> >
> > Martin Wesley wrote:
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 8:53 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photo Rag longevity versus EHM with Epson dye
> > > inks?
> > >
> > > > Martin, which epson papers would be good for the 1280 dye inks (26
> year
> > > > life)? Heavyweight matte isn't nearly heavy enough, and it is too
> ivory
> > > > colored to be useful.
> > > >
> > > Jerry,
> > >
> > > I really don't know on that one. I would probably stick to Epson's
> > > recommendations since it is their ink. I have been using Epson's
> ColorLife
> > > paper for the family snapshots but I don't know if you would like the RC
> > > pearl type finish. Maybe someone on the Archical Color group has some
> > > suggestions.
> > >
> > > Martin Wesley
> > >
> > > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Martin Wesley wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mitch,
> > > > >
> > > > > For the dye inks I would stick to the Epson papers. It has long been
> > > > > understood that the chemicals used to buffer archival papers and mat
> > > board
> > > > > would damage color dye materials such as dye transfer prints or
> textiles
> > > > > dyed with vegetable dyes.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Hahnemuhle papers appear to be fully buffered to a pH of 8.0+
> and
> > > this
> > > > > buffering, while extremely good for the life of the paper, may be
> > > harmful to
> > > > > the life of the color dye image.
> > > > >
> > > > > While the carbon pigment inks in theory are immune to the effects of
> the
> > > > > buffering agents, I wonder if that is the reason prints on H. papers
> > > warm
> > > > > more than on EAM.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is also the nature and pH of the coatings used on inkjet
> papers
> > > and
> > > > > how they interact with the inks. All of this is proprietary
> information
> > > and
> > > > > we really don't know what will happen over the long haul.
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin Wesley
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Mitch Alland" <malland@...>
> > > > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:32 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Digital BW] Photo Rag longevity versus EHM with Epson dye
> > > inks?
> > > > >
> > > > > > [Although this question concerns color inks, I am posting it here
> as I
> > > had
> > > > > no response on the Epson printer color forum.]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the Sep 28, 2001 "newsletter" on www.inkjetart.com there was a
> > > report
> > > > > based on Epson information that the life of Epson 1280 (dye) inks on
> > > Epson
> > > > > Heavyweight Matte was much longer (25 years) than on Epson Archival
> > > Matte
> > > > > (10 years), as the latter works better with pigment inks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone know what is the situation with Epson 1280 dye inks
> with
> > > > > Hahnemuehle Photo Rag: is the lonegevity shorter than with Epson
> > > Heavyweight
> > > > > Matte, along the lines of  Epson Archival Matte?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Mitch/Bangkok
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