Digital BW, The Print

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photo Rag longevity versus EHM with Epson dye
inks?


> Martin, I have 25 sheets of photo rag, and I have tried it. It is
> magnificent. But even at Media street under Royal renaissance it is too
> expensive for everyday use. It is fine, of course for photos that I sell.
>
> It prints as well as any hahnemuhle paper, and a little blacker than
> most, it seems. Wells river is gorgeous in TONES but the flaking is just
> unreal with this paper.
>
> What do you think of the Photo rag for epson 1280 color inks?  I'm
> looking for a really nice paper that will last at least as long as the
> 26 years claimed by epson for their 1280 color inkset. I have run fade
> tests with this ink, south window, etc, and it doesn't fade at all to
> the eye, even after 2 months in the sun. So it should really be good for
> 26 years under glass, I would think. Anyway, at the low prices I sell
> for, I'm not going to worry about it, as I don't sell a lot of color.
> The Recommended Epson heavyweight matte is not nearly heavy enough for me.
>
Jerry,

Well if it lasted 2 months in a sunny window that sounds pretty good to me.
I have seen standard color photos fade faster than that under those kind of
conditions. Hard to argue with first hand data. How that will project into
long term life? I have no idea.

I have been using the ColorLife because the wife likes the surface and I
figured it should keep the images on the paper for family snapshots at least
as long as I am around. If I was serious about color as "fine art" I would
be looking at one of the pigment sets and using Photo Rag.

Martin

>
> Martin Wesley wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photo Rag longevity versus EHM with Epson dye
> > inks?
> >
> > > Nope, I absolutely hate  the rc look. Tacky Tacky Tacky!!! Cheap!
> > > Commercial! Ugh!
> > >
> > > (In my humble opinion, of course.).
> >
> > Jerry,
> >
> > That's about what I thought you would say. <G>
> > >
> > > Brightcube says Eclipse satine is good with dyes or pigments. That and
> > > the Photo Matte are what I use most often. Photo Rag is indeed
> > > wonderful, but too expensive for me.
> >
> > Give it a try and let me know what you think.
> >
> > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > > Martin Wesley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
> > > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 8:53 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Photo Rag longevity versus EHM with Epson
dye
> > > > inks?
> > > >
> > > > > Martin, which epson papers would be good for the 1280 dye inks (26
> > year
> > > > > life)? Heavyweight matte isn't nearly heavy enough, and it is too
> > ivory
> > > > > colored to be useful.
> > > > >
> > > > Jerry,
> > > >
> > > > I really don't know on that one. I would probably stick to Epson's
> > > > recommendations since it is their ink. I have been using Epson's
> > ColorLife
> > > > paper for the family snapshots but I don't know if you would like
the RC
> > > > pearl type finish. Maybe someone on the Archical Color group has
some
> > > > suggestions.
> > > >
> > > > Martin Wesley
> > > >
> > > > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin Wesley wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mitch,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the dye inks I would stick to the Epson papers. It has long
been
> > > > > > understood that the chemicals used to buffer archival papers and
mat
> > > > board
> > > > > > would damage color dye materials such as dye transfer prints or
> > textiles
> > > > > > dyed with vegetable dyes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Hahnemuhle papers appear to be fully buffered to a pH of
8.0+
> > and
> > > > this
> > > > > > buffering, while extremely good for the life of the paper, may
be
> > > > harmful to
> > > > > > the life of the color dye image.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While the carbon pigment inks in theory are immune to the
effects of
> > the
> > > > > > buffering agents, I wonder if that is the reason prints on H.
papers
> > > > warm
> > > > > > more than on EAM.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is also the nature and pH of the coatings used on inkjet
> > papers
> > > > and
> > > > > > how they interact with the inks. All of this is proprietary
> > information
> > > > and
> > > > > > we really don't know what will happen over the long haul.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Martin Wesley
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Mitch Alland" <malland@...>
> > > > > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:32 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [Digital BW] Photo Rag longevity versus EHM with Epson
dye
> > > > inks?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > [Although this question concerns color inks, I am posting it
here
> > as I
> > > > had
> > > > > > no response on the Epson printer color forum.]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the Sep 28, 2001 "newsletter" on www.inkjetart.com there
was a
> > > > report
> > > > > > based on Epson information that the life of Epson 1280 (dye)
inks on
> > > > Epson
> > > > > > Heavyweight Matte was much longer (25 years) than on Epson
Archival
> > > > Matte
> > > > > > (10 years), as the latter works better with pigment inks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does anyone know what is the situation with Epson 1280 dye
inks
> > with
> > > > > > Hahnemuehle Photo Rag: is the lonegevity shorter than with Epson
> > > > Heavyweight
> > > > > > Matte, along the lines of  Epson Archival Matte?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --Mitch/Bangkok
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