Digital BW, The Print

Bingo, Robert, that is exactly what I have been saying, and...you seem to
corroborate my claims too.

Thanks!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Morrison [mailto:rmorrison@...]
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:02 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Canon D60 Question
>
>
> Jerry,
>
> I really think you continually miss Austin's point.  He is not saying that
> your prints...or the output from a D60...or any other digital
> camera are not
> sharp.  He's simply saying film images scanned with a high end scanner
> contain more information and this translates into differences in tonality
> and detail (NOT SHARPNESS) that are hard to see in a 8x10...but
> are easy to
> see in a enlargement (e.g., 16x20).  I shoot both 35mm digital (D1x and
> formerly D1) and film (mainly tmax).  I love my digital camera...don't get
> me wrong...but film that I scan with my 4000dpi film scanner or
> occasionally
> with a Imacon or Crosfield drum scanner contains a whole hell of
> a lot more
> tonal information and particularly DETAIL than my D1x is capable
> of dishing
> out. Just take a photo of some grass in a field with evening light and the
> difference is easy to see at actual pixels on the screen or in an enlarged
> print close up.  BOTH prints are totally sharp...I have control over
> that...but they are not equal in these other respects.
>
> Now this may not matter to you depending on your subject matter,
> print size
> or viewing distance...but if you get out the loupe it's easy to see...and
> Austin's technical reasoning is very sound and quite honestly much more
> sophisticated than the simple comparison's of sharpness that typically
> appear in digital vs. film reviews all over the net.  Remember, unbiased
> digital vs. film reviews are almost impossible these days because of the
> huge pressure from the photo industry to move digital (to sell expensive,
> quickly obsolete cameras).
>
> My guess is that as time goes on the size of the enlargement that you can
> make with "equal effective tonality and detail" will increase.  I
> saw output
> today from a new phase one back on a mamiya 645...these were color model
> shots blown up to 7 feet tall really impressive...but when we
> stripped those
> images to BW they didn't hold up...but they did pretty good 2x3
> feet...beautiful eye vein detail for example.
>
> But there is no doubt that there are many jobs were digital is just
> fantastic...I have had several in the past 6 months in which I need quick
> turn around of images taken of one time events under difficult lighting
> conditions...digital to the rescue with very happy clients in the
> end...but
> I think there is also still a big role for film given the current
> limitations of the cameras...for how long...I'm not sure...but I was just
> buying yet another film camera today....
>
> Robert
>
> PS I really liked your image for the July print exchange...I believe that
> was scanned medium format film? <wink>
>
>
> On 7/24/02 8:15 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:
>
> > AAAARRRRRrrrrrgh!
> >
> > Enough! We've gone over this many times before, Austin and I.  He'll
> > never convince me film is better, and I'll never convince hime digital
> > is better. So we will just have to agree to disagree.
> >
> > Of course he's wrong, though. :)
> >
> > Jerry
>
>
>
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