Jerry, No argument about that. As long as one knows the tool is just a means of getting the message across. A new saxophone doesn't make a musician a better creator. I never wanted to use autofocus until I realized my eyes were getting older or a coupled meter in my older cameras until I couldn't read the info on my old Weston. Giving away my age now. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Methods of Selection Narrow ranges...? > Hi Barry, > > Not every picture has to be cropped. Not EVERY picture has to be tweaked > in photoshop. (Many photographers probably haven't even heard of > photoshop). But IF you can make an improvement, I'll do it. I'm MAKING a > picture versus TAKING a picture. It's all art, and I use photoshop as a > tool to better photographs. > > Jerry > > > > bgs wrote: > > > > Jerry, > > > > I don't necessarily agree with a lot of your comments to Austin but your > > copying and pasting for detail just saved a picture for me. For that I must > > thank you. Never thought about doing it before. I still don't think that > > every photo has to be manipulated in PS to *make it better*. I hate to crop > > primarily because I compose and shoot at the same time. Maybe it comes from > > a jazz improvisational background. Once you throw the notes out you can't > > take them back. For me anything and everything in the art field is > > intuitive. The form follows substance and how you get there is very > > personal. Goodbye. Don't want to ramble. > > > > Barry > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 12:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Methods of Selection Narrow ranges...? > > > > > Cleavis, > > > > > > Have you tried selecting all the very light areas in your image, > > > feathering about 20-40 pixels or so, (depending on the resolution of > > > your file), and copying and pasting it to a new layer? Then select > > > multiply for that layer. It will give you much more highlight detail. > > > Then, depending on how it looks, you can reduce the amount of detail by > > > lowering the opacity of that layer until it looks just right. > > > > > > You can do the same thing for shadows. Only use the screen mode instead > > > of the multiply mode. > > > > > > These two things alone can greatly expand the highlight/shadow detail in > > > your images. > > > > > > In your case, select the areas you want to add contrast in, make the new > > > copy layer of them, and use the screen mode. This may give you too much > > > shadow detail. You'll have to reduce the opacity. You can also use a > > > curve to increase the contrast in this layer. > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > lyonscox wrote: > > > > > > > > I was wondering what methods people are employing when trying to > > > > adjust the contrast of a narrow tone range, say 5-20%? > > > > > > > > To state it another way...if I were to make a traditional silver > > > > print and wanted to do this, I would be doing a dodge/burn in very > > > > specific areas (if using a variable contrast paper, yuck ;-) I would > > > > use a different filter from the main exposure) and afterwards do > > > > localized reducing (most of you call it bleaching). > > > > > > > > I've found myself > > > > A - adjusting curves, generally and repeatedly in small increments. > > > > B - selecting areas, layer color fill (~25-75%B) set to burn, etc. > > > > C - using the intuitive dodge & burn tool > > > > > > > > OThers? Efficient? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Cleavis > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > > page. > > > > > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > > > - Include your full name with your message. > > > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > > keep them short. > > > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject > > header. > > > > - Good manners are required at all time. 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Re: [Digital BW] Methods of Selection Narrow ranges...?
2002-08-01 by bgs
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