Digital BW, The Print

Andrew,
 
No, I don't believe that. I was simply pointing out that his opinion of
the software was very different from yours. And you're right: I haven't
seen it or used it. You have seen to it that I won't get that chance,
which is the point. 
 
The 2200 was billed as the first Epson printer that was capable of
printing "good" B&W and color out of the same inkset. Grey Balancer was
listed as the utility that facilitated this, for those of us not yet
ready to justify custom profiles or spectro's. This was straight from
Epson propaganda on the printer. This piqued my interest. I particularly
wanted to evaluate the B&W and color from the UC inkset from the
standpoint of someday getting a 7600. I'd like to print 24" and I can't
justify one for color and one for B&W. 
 
I'm using Gen4 for color now and am not unhappy with it. I might try
Wide Spectrum dyes when they are released for desktops, avoiding the
pigment problems altogether. IOW, I have plenty of color options that
might be as good as or better (and certainly cheaper) than Ultrachromes.
Unless UC's are really great, color-capability won't motivate me to
incur the outrageous ink cost.
 
Actually, I'm as low maintenance as it gets. None of my Epson printers
have ever had Epson ink in them beyond the set included in the box.
Epson never hears from me. Based on what I've read here lately, I think
it will probably stay that way.
 
Lloyd
 

-----Original Message-----
From: thedigitaldog [mailto:andrew@...] 
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 9:15 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] News on Epson 2200 Gray Balancer SW


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Lloyd O'Daniel"
<lodaniel@b...> 


And you believe that? Well I guess my respect for you just went down the

tubes. How can a utility (even a good one which GB certainly isn't) the
primary 
reason to buy a printer? I thought the primary reason to buy a printer
was to 
get great prints. You don't need GB for that. Basing the printer on a
utility is 
like deciding to buy Corel Paint instead of Photoshop because the box it

came in is nicer. Give me a break. 


>it did not seem too complex to me.  

But you don't have it or used it, you got that opinion based on the
review. Very 
scientific. At least I spent days with the GB and then spent two days
with a 
group of others who agreed that the product was very poor. 

> based on the same principles I've employed for years to gray balance
> Cibachrome and Ektacolor (subtractive calculator).

I never criticized the principles, just the poor execution. Kodak has
had a very 
simple gray balancer utility that shipped with their dye sub printers
for years. 
And not only was it very simple, it downloaded the gray balance file to
the 
printer and could be used for paper types (not that there are anywhere
as 
many as an ink jet but once you did ONE gray balance you were done). 

>If it's available in Europe, then, By God, I want it too. 

That's rational thinking. They have the Euro dollar too. You want it? 

>My
> money is as good as theirs. 

They pay MORE for the printer then you do. How much extra will you pay
for 
the Gray Balancer?

> I'm one that frustrated you by making the "stupid" assumption of
> conflict of interest. 

Yes , it was quite stupid. For someone that has a science bkgnd, your
science 
and logic is very flawed. 

>I was hot
> to get a 2200, but no longer. I might reluctantly still get one, but
> only if Ultrachrome blows everything else away for color.

I don't think the printer is right for you. In fact, NO Epson printer up
to this point 
had a gray balancer so I have to assume NO Epson printer was adequate
for 
your needs. 


> Next time you see your buddy at Epson, tell him you were smart enough
to
> probably cost him a sale.

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want a customer like you. You seem to be
very high 
maintenance. 



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