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Re: [Digital BW] PiezoTones: Are they ready for prime time ?

2002-08-09 by vinyo88

I have been using the MIS VM inks for several months now and allways 
get a nozzle clog with the black ink only even after only 24 hrs. If 
I print today, tomorrow the black will have a clog that clears after 
2-3 cleaning. Does anyone know what might be causing this.

Vinny
http://www.wulfsden.com




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Alan,
> 
> What seems to continue to be true is that we all are having a wide 
variety
> of experience with the different ink sets. Some people do just fine 
and
> others have nothing but problems.
> 
> I have been running MIS-VM in one 1280 for 10 months or more with 
minimal
> clogging or banding problems. A couple of strange incidents where a 
nozzle
> cut out in the middle or a print and then kicked back in again 
before the
> print was complete.
> 
> I played around with MIS-FS, FS Neutral, Sepia-VM and some blends 
of my own
> on my second 1280 using cartridges. This gave me many more problems 
with
> clogs. Just about every print session needed to be proceeded with 
nozzle
> checks and frequently multiple nozzle cleaning cycles and a couple 
of
> overnight sits.
> 
> I tried the Warm Neutral PiezoTone inks with a CIS in the same 
printer and
> initially had zero clog problems. After several weeks I suddenly 
got some
> banding which cleared up with a couple of nozzle cleanings. After 
that I had
> to check nozzles at the start of every print session and usually do 
a
> cleaning. After about 2 weeks of this I got nothing but good nozzle 
checks
> and no more clogs.
> 
> The same printer was changed over to the Selenium PiezoTone with a 
new CIS
> and I have had minor clogging problems. I do a nozzle check before 
each
> print session and it is good probably 8 or 9 times out of 10. The 
checks
> that aren't good clear up in 1 to 4 nozzle cleaning cycles. I have 
lost a
> couple of 13x19 prints when a nozzle clogged mid print like the VM 
but other
> than that okay. No quite as clog free as the first 1280 with VM but 
good
> enough if I do my checks. Nothing compared to the clog nightmares I 
had with
> the original Piezo on my 1200.
> 
> In general I have had much worse problems with clogs using 
cartridges than I
> have using a CIS. This was true with my original 1200 and the 
original Piezo
> inks as well. Other people have found the opposite to be true. They 
get
> fewer clogs with cartridges and have a terrible time with the CIS.
> 
> The only explanation I can offer is printer to printer variation. 
Or perhaps
> climate extremes.
> 
> In the mean time I am printing away with the Selenium PT and pretty 
much
> like it better than anything else I have tried. I am sorry to hear 
they
> worked out so poorly for you.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A. Huntley" <prasepe@a...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 6:11 PM
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] PiezoTones: Are they ready for prime 
time ?
> 
> 
> > I have tried several times and spent more $ than I care to admit 
to trying
> to get the Piezo system routinely working successfully on
> > my Epson 1160. Each time I have returned to MIS inks. I got so 
frustrated
> this last time 'round that I loaded up a brand new CIS
> > with MIS VM inks and tossed the PiezoTone ST cartridges in the 
trash!
> Microbanding, clogging, etc., is, regardless what Jon and
> > Co. say, a very real problem. They continually blame it on the
> hardware...I ain't buying it!
> >
> > Case in point:  when I had the ST cartridges installed, I printed 
a few
> images one afternoon and returned the next evening to print
> > another one. A quick nozzle check--which I routinely do every 
time before
> beginning a print session--revealed about 1/2 the nozzles
> > not firing. I ran several cleaning cycles, let it sit overnight 
(can't
> tell ya how pleased I am to have to do this!), and the next day's
> > nozzle check showed that all but 1 or 2 were firing properly. I 
went ahead
> with my printing, anyway. Shouldn't have bothered because
> > banding was present once again.
> >
> > OK...I've tossed the ST cartridges and installed MIS VM. Printed 
a couple
> of images and, then the printer sat for maybe 4 or 5
> > days. Upon turning it on, I did my usual nozzle check and, voila, 
perfect
> from the get go! Even the 1 or 2 that I could NEVER get
> > going with the Piezo cartridges were now OK. Can't say I've 
totally given
> up on Piezo--I'm stubborn and the paper profiles are a
> > very nice to have item--but, given the ability to modify 
the "color" of
> the print using Paul's VM inkset, and the results obtained, I'm
> > pretty much sold on MIS VM for now. I'm getting beautiful prints 
on EAM.
> I'm satisfied. Life is good.........
> >
> > Hope this helps in your decision.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Alan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lawrencetrek [SMTP:ltitle@i...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:59 AM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> > Subject: [Digital BW] PiezoTones:  Are they ready for prime time ?
> >
> > Microbanding, clogging, and now clipping ...
> >
> > As I debate making an investment into a new 1280 printer for 
PiezoTones
> > carts, some of you guys are continuing to scare me off.  How, 
prevalent
> are
> > these problems ?  Are any of you having trouble free printing 
with the new
> > inks (with the 1280 carts rather than CIS) and producing 
excellent prints
> ?  If
> > so, why are others posting such problems.
> >
> > Now, I am starting to consider the prospect of buying the Epson 
2200 and
> > buying custom printer profiles to try to produce my B/W digital 
prints.
> Could
> > be less stressful until more of the kinks are removed from 
piezography.
> Help
> > and guidance would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
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