Digital BW, The Print

I have tried several times and spent more $ than I care to admit to trying to get the Piezo system routinely working successfully on
my Epson 1160. Each time I have returned to MIS inks. I got so frustrated this last time 'round that I loaded up a brand new CIS
with MIS VM inks and tossed the PiezoTone ST cartridges in the trash! Microbanding, clogging, etc., is, regardless what Jon and
Co. say, a very real problem. They continually blame it on the hardware...I ain't buying it!

Case in point:  when I had the ST cartridges installed, I printed a few images one afternoon and returned the next evening to print
another one. A quick nozzle check--which I routinely do every time before beginning a print session--revealed about 1/2 the nozzles
not firing. I ran several cleaning cycles, let it sit overnight (can't tell ya how pleased I am to have to do this!), and the next day's
nozzle check showed that all but 1 or 2 were firing properly. I went ahead with my printing, anyway. Shouldn't have bothered because
banding was present once again.

OK...I've tossed the ST cartridges and installed MIS VM. Printed a couple of images and, then the printer sat for maybe 4 or 5
days. Upon turning it on, I did my usual nozzle check and, voila, perfect from the get go! Even the 1 or 2 that I could NEVER get
going with the Piezo cartridges were now OK. Can't say I've totally given up on Piezo--I'm stubborn and the paper profiles are a
very nice to have item--but, given the ability to modify the "color" of the print using Paul's VM inkset, and the results obtained, I'm
pretty much sold on MIS VM for now. I'm getting beautiful prints on EAM. I'm satisfied. Life is good.........

Hope this helps in your decision.

Best regards,
Alan

-----Original Message-----
From:	lawrencetrek [SMTP:ltitle@...]
Sent:	Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:59 AM
To:	DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject:	[Digital BW] PiezoTones:  Are they ready for prime time ?

Microbanding, clogging, and now clipping ...  

As I debate making an investment into a new 1280 printer for PiezoTones 
carts, some of you guys are continuing to scare me off.  How, prevalent are 
these problems ?  Are any of you having trouble free printing with the new 
inks (with the 1280 carts rather than CIS) and producing excellent prints ?  If 
so, why are others posting such problems.  

Now, I am starting to consider the prospect of buying the Epson 2200 and 
buying custom printer profiles to try to produce my B/W digital prints.  Could 
be less stressful until more of the kinks are removed from piezography.  Help 
and guidance would be appreciated.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

on 8/8/02 9:11 PM, A. Huntley wrote:

> Case in point:  when I had the ST cartridges installed, I printed a few images
> one afternoon and returned the next evening to print
> another one. A quick nozzle check--which I routinely do every time before
> beginning a print session--revealed about 1/2 the nozzles
> not firing. I ran several cleaning cycles, let it sit overnight (can't tell ya
> how pleased I am to have to do this!), and the next day's
> nozzle check showed that all but 1 or 2 were firing properly. I went ahead
> with my printing, anyway. Shouldn't have bothered because
> banding was present once again.

This is minor to your main point, but for those who may not know, you WILL
get banding if any of the nozzles are not firing.

Todd Flashner

Alan,

What seems to continue to be true is that we all are having a wide variety
of experience with the different ink sets. Some people do just fine and
others have nothing but problems.

I have been running MIS-VM in one 1280 for 10 months or more with minimal
clogging or banding problems. A couple of strange incidents where a nozzle
cut out in the middle or a print and then kicked back in again before the
print was complete.

I played around with MIS-FS, FS Neutral, Sepia-VM and some blends of my own
on my second 1280 using cartridges. This gave me many more problems with
clogs. Just about every print session needed to be proceeded with nozzle
checks and frequently multiple nozzle cleaning cycles and a couple of
overnight sits.

I tried the Warm Neutral PiezoTone inks with a CIS in the same printer and
initially had zero clog problems. After several weeks I suddenly got some
banding which cleared up with a couple of nozzle cleanings. After that I had
to check nozzles at the start of every print session and usually do a
cleaning. After about 2 weeks of this I got nothing but good nozzle checks
and no more clogs.

The same printer was changed over to the Selenium PiezoTone with a new CIS
and I have had minor clogging problems. I do a nozzle check before each
print session and it is good probably 8 or 9 times out of 10. The checks
that aren't good clear up in 1 to 4 nozzle cleaning cycles. I have lost a
couple of 13x19 prints when a nozzle clogged mid print like the VM but other
than that okay. No quite as clog free as the first 1280 with VM but good
enough if I do my checks. Nothing compared to the clog nightmares I had with
the original Piezo on my 1200.

In general I have had much worse problems with clogs using cartridges than I
have using a CIS. This was true with my original 1200 and the original Piezo
inks as well. Other people have found the opposite to be true. They get
fewer clogs with cartridges and have a terrible time with the CIS.

The only explanation I can offer is printer to printer variation. Or perhaps
climate extremes.

In the mean time I am printing away with the Selenium PT and pretty much
like it better than anything else I have tried. I am sorry to hear they
worked out so poorly for you.

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Huntley" <prasepe@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 6:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] PiezoTones: Are they ready for prime time ?


> I have tried several times and spent more $ than I care to admit to trying
to get the Piezo system routinely working successfully on
> my Epson 1160. Each time I have returned to MIS inks. I got so frustrated
this last time 'round that I loaded up a brand new CIS
> with MIS VM inks and tossed the PiezoTone ST cartridges in the trash!
Microbanding, clogging, etc., is, regardless what Jon and
> Co. say, a very real problem. They continually blame it on the
hardware...I ain't buying it!
>
> Case in point:  when I had the ST cartridges installed, I printed a few
images one afternoon and returned the next evening to print
> another one. A quick nozzle check--which I routinely do every time before
beginning a print session--revealed about 1/2 the nozzles
> not firing. I ran several cleaning cycles, let it sit overnight (can't
tell ya how pleased I am to have to do this!), and the next day's
> nozzle check showed that all but 1 or 2 were firing properly. I went ahead
with my printing, anyway. Shouldn't have bothered because
> banding was present once again.
>
> OK...I've tossed the ST cartridges and installed MIS VM. Printed a couple
of images and, then the printer sat for maybe 4 or 5
> days. Upon turning it on, I did my usual nozzle check and, voila, perfect
from the get go! Even the 1 or 2 that I could NEVER get
> going with the Piezo cartridges were now OK. Can't say I've totally given
up on Piezo--I'm stubborn and the paper profiles are a
> very nice to have item--but, given the ability to modify the "color" of
the print using Paul's VM inkset, and the results obtained, I'm
> pretty much sold on MIS VM for now. I'm getting beautiful prints on EAM.
I'm satisfied. Life is good.........
>
> Hope this helps in your decision.
>
> Best regards,
> Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lawrencetrek [SMTP:ltitle@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:59 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] PiezoTones:  Are they ready for prime time ?
>
> Microbanding, clogging, and now clipping ...
>
> As I debate making an investment into a new 1280 printer for PiezoTones
> carts, some of you guys are continuing to scare me off.  How, prevalent
are
> these problems ?  Are any of you having trouble free printing with the new
> inks (with the 1280 carts rather than CIS) and producing excellent prints
?  If
> so, why are others posting such problems.
>
> Now, I am starting to consider the prospect of buying the Epson 2200 and
> buying custom printer profiles to try to produce my B/W digital prints.
Could
> be less stressful until more of the kinks are removed from piezography.
Help
> and guidance would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Guys,

You're not doing a good job convincing me to rush and buy the PT inks.  The 
MIS inks don't seem to be clog- and banding-proof either.

Maybe I can live with less than "dead nuts neutral" B/W prints from a custom 
profiled Epson 2200.  This would still give me the option of toned images, 
duotones and printing the occasional color print as well.  

I want to make my final decision soon.

----- Original Message -----

From: "lawrencetrek" <ltitle@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] PiezoTones: Are they ready for prime time ?


> Guys,
>
> You're not doing a good job convincing me to rush and buy the PT inks.
The
> MIS inks don't seem to be clog- and banding-proof either.
>
> Maybe I can live with less than "dead nuts neutral" B/W prints from a
custom
> profiled Epson 2200.  This would still give me the option of toned images,
> duotones and printing the occasional color print as well.
>
> I want to make my final decision soon.
>
Lawrence,

Just to keep some perspective, my wife was having some problems getting a
good color print from her 1270 with Epson dye inks on ColorLife paper. I ran
a nozzle check for her an found multiple clogs. It took 7 nozzle cleaning
cycles to get the clog to clear and to make a good print. This printer has
never run anything but genuine Epson ink.

As I posted earlier. None of these printers, inks or workflows is perfect.
They all have limitations and certain problems. I can guarantee that
whatever inkjet technology you pick, you will encounter clogging at some
point. Other than the original Piezo inks, I have not seen any clogging
issues that would stop me from recommending any of the other Piezo inks or
the MIS inks.

You have to make your own choice and start somewhere. If you are lucky, you
will be content with what you start with. For many of us it has been a
matter of many trials to find something that suited our taste balanced
against limitations, functional problems and cost. I look forward to the day
when people can visit a gallery or museum an see fine prints made with all
these processes and will not have to make a blind decision based on a bunch
of text messages on the Internet.

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html

On 8/8/02 7:58 PM, "lawrencetrek" <ltitle@...> wrote:

> You're not doing a good job convincing me to rush and buy the PT inks.  The
> MIS inks don't seem to be clog- and banding-proof either.

I've had many clogs/bands in all of my printers with both the MIS FS and
FS-N inks...of course also with the original Cone BW inks, Color Piezo, MIS
Perpetural, Indelibles...and of course Epson OEM dye inks.  Clogged nozzles
are a way of life if you print a lot.  Count your blessings if you haven't
had a problem yet...some printers just seem to be better than others...maybe
you got one...if you have a lot of printers like I do you are bound to get
some rotten apples.  There isn't a week that goes by when my Dad's good old
Epson 1200 with Epson OEM inks doesn't get clogged nozzles.  He does a
couple of head cleanings and starts printing again...just like the rest of
us.

Robert

I have been using the MIS VM inks for several months now and allways 
get a nozzle clog with the black ink only even after only 24 hrs. If 
I print today, tomorrow the black will have a clog that clears after 
2-3 cleaning. Does anyone know what might be causing this.

Vinny
http://www.wulfsden.com




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Alan,
> 
> What seems to continue to be true is that we all are having a wide 
variety
> of experience with the different ink sets. Some people do just fine 
and
> others have nothing but problems.
> 
> I have been running MIS-VM in one 1280 for 10 months or more with 
minimal
> clogging or banding problems. A couple of strange incidents where a 
nozzle
> cut out in the middle or a print and then kicked back in again 
before the
> print was complete.
> 
> I played around with MIS-FS, FS Neutral, Sepia-VM and some blends 
of my own
> on my second 1280 using cartridges. This gave me many more problems 
with
> clogs. Just about every print session needed to be proceeded with 
nozzle
> checks and frequently multiple nozzle cleaning cycles and a couple 
of
> overnight sits.
> 
> I tried the Warm Neutral PiezoTone inks with a CIS in the same 
printer and
> initially had zero clog problems. After several weeks I suddenly 
got some
> banding which cleared up with a couple of nozzle cleanings. After 
that I had
> to check nozzles at the start of every print session and usually do 
a
> cleaning. After about 2 weeks of this I got nothing but good nozzle 
checks
> and no more clogs.
> 
> The same printer was changed over to the Selenium PiezoTone with a 
new CIS
> and I have had minor clogging problems. I do a nozzle check before 
each
> print session and it is good probably 8 or 9 times out of 10. The 
checks
> that aren't good clear up in 1 to 4 nozzle cleaning cycles. I have 
lost a
> couple of 13x19 prints when a nozzle clogged mid print like the VM 
but other
> than that okay. No quite as clog free as the first 1280 with VM but 
good
> enough if I do my checks. Nothing compared to the clog nightmares I 
had with
> the original Piezo on my 1200.
> 
> In general I have had much worse problems with clogs using 
cartridges than I
> have using a CIS. This was true with my original 1200 and the 
original Piezo
> inks as well. Other people have found the opposite to be true. They 
get
> fewer clogs with cartridges and have a terrible time with the CIS.
> 
> The only explanation I can offer is printer to printer variation. 
Or perhaps
> climate extremes.
> 
> In the mean time I am printing away with the Selenium PT and pretty 
much
> like it better than anything else I have tried. I am sorry to hear 
they
> worked out so poorly for you.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A. Huntley" <prasepe@a...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 6:11 PM
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] PiezoTones: Are they ready for prime 
time ?
> 
> 
> > I have tried several times and spent more $ than I care to admit 
to trying
> to get the Piezo system routinely working successfully on
> > my Epson 1160. Each time I have returned to MIS inks. I got so 
frustrated
> this last time 'round that I loaded up a brand new CIS
> > with MIS VM inks and tossed the PiezoTone ST cartridges in the 
trash!
> Microbanding, clogging, etc., is, regardless what Jon and
> > Co. say, a very real problem. They continually blame it on the
> hardware...I ain't buying it!
> >
> > Case in point:  when I had the ST cartridges installed, I printed 
a few
> images one afternoon and returned the next evening to print
> > another one. A quick nozzle check--which I routinely do every 
time before
> beginning a print session--revealed about 1/2 the nozzles
> > not firing. I ran several cleaning cycles, let it sit overnight 
(can't
> tell ya how pleased I am to have to do this!), and the next day's
> > nozzle check showed that all but 1 or 2 were firing properly. I 
went ahead
> with my printing, anyway. Shouldn't have bothered because
> > banding was present once again.
> >
> > OK...I've tossed the ST cartridges and installed MIS VM. Printed 
a couple
> of images and, then the printer sat for maybe 4 or 5
> > days. Upon turning it on, I did my usual nozzle check and, voila, 
perfect
> from the get go! Even the 1 or 2 that I could NEVER get
> > going with the Piezo cartridges were now OK. Can't say I've 
totally given
> up on Piezo--I'm stubborn and the paper profiles are a
> > very nice to have item--but, given the ability to modify 
the "color" of
> the print using Paul's VM inkset, and the results obtained, I'm
> > pretty much sold on MIS VM for now. I'm getting beautiful prints 
on EAM.
> I'm satisfied. Life is good.........
> >
> > Hope this helps in your decision.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Alan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lawrencetrek [SMTP:ltitle@i...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:59 AM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> > Subject: [Digital BW] PiezoTones:  Are they ready for prime time ?
> >
> > Microbanding, clogging, and now clipping ...
> >
> > As I debate making an investment into a new 1280 printer for 
PiezoTones
> > carts, some of you guys are continuing to scare me off.  How, 
prevalent
> are
> > these problems ?  Are any of you having trouble free printing 
with the new
> > inks (with the 1280 carts rather than CIS) and producing 
excellent prints
> ?  If
> > so, why are others posting such problems.
> >
> > Now, I am starting to consider the prospect of buying the Epson 
2200 and
> > buying custom printer profiles to try to produce my B/W digital 
prints.
> Could
> > be less stressful until more of the kinks are removed from 
piezography.
> Help
> > and guidance would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and
> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> >
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wish to
> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting 
this same
> page.
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messages to keep
> them short.
> > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject 
header.
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> &amp;amp;quot;flames.&amp;amp;quot;
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> > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the 
various
> resources on the homepage.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

> >
> >
> >

I am beginning to wonder if there are some environmental issues 
associated with clogging - say low humidity causing drying out in the 
tips of the print heads. I remember when I lived out west, we would have 
the problems with our ball point pen supply. Half of them you would get 
out of the supply cabnit didn't work or you got out this slimy glob of 
ink out the first time you used them. We stopped keeping a large supply 
on hand and ordered smaller numbers more frequently and that seemed to 
help. When I've lived in humid climates, MD, VA and FL, I seldom see 
this - in fact I've never seen it in FL. This had to be a evaporation of 
the water from the ink in the pen tips leaving it thick. Could the same 
thing be impcating injets?

Truman



vinyo88 wrote:

> I have been using the MIS VM inks for several months now and allways
> get a nozzle clog with the black ink only even after only 24 hrs. If
> I print today, tomorrow the black will have a clog that clears after
> 2-3 cleaning. Does anyone know what might be causing this.
>
> Vinny
> http://www.wulfsden.com
>
>

Todd,

I fully realize that one gets banding if all nozzles are not firing perfectly. However, I have had banding with Piezo with perfect nozzle
checks. I guess part of my point is that this last time with the Piezotone inks I couldn't EVER get a totally clean nozzle check. To be
honest, I really don't know if the system would have eventually worked. I don't have the time to "baby" my printer hoping to get
acceptable prints from it.

As others have pointed out, whatever works for you WORKS, and is good. For me, that's Paul's VM inkset from MIS.

Best regards,
Alan

-----Original Message-----
From:	Todd Flashner [SMTP:tflash@...]
Sent:	Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:08 PM
To:	DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject:	Re: [Digital BW] PiezoTones:  Are they ready for prime time ?

on 8/8/02 9:11 PM, A. Huntley wrote:

> Case in point:  when I had the ST cartridges installed, I printed a few images
> one afternoon and returned the next evening to print
> another one. A quick nozzle check--which I routinely do every time before
> beginning a print session--revealed about 1/2 the nozzles
> not firing. I ran several cleaning cycles, let it sit overnight (can't tell ya
> how pleased I am to have to do this!), and the next day's
> nozzle check showed that all but 1 or 2 were firing properly. I went ahead
> with my printing, anyway. Shouldn't have bothered because
> banding was present once again.

This is minor to your main point, but for those who may not know, you WILL
get banding if any of the nozzles are not firing.

Todd Flashner



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Martin,

I totally agree with what you've said here. I think the problems most of us experience are driven primarily by two things:  1) digital printmaking is really in its infancy and there will naturally be "growing pains", and 2) I believe and fully agree with you that printer manufacturing will, in the normal course of mass producing any product, lead to variations. Therefore, it is easy to believe that my printer may clog, band, etc., and yours doesn't. Jon's last e-mail to me was very understanding and I think he was trying to tell me, in a nice way, that perhaps my 1160 was not up to the task of handling the tight dither pattern of the piezo driver. Made some sense to me...after all, the 1160 was a $300 printer when you could walk into your local Staples and pick one up off the shelf.

Overall, I would say that I've had less problems with a CIS on my 1160. I just couldn't convince myself to invest in the cost of 4 oz bottles of PT-ST without knowing for sure that I had a high probability of everything working out. I don't have that kind of $$ to throw away. Jon said that Cone Editions buys lots of printers and they weed out the duds selling 'em on eBay. Personally, I don't have the financial resources to "buy and sell" printers until I stumble across one that is acceptable. I guess that's really at the heart of what I'm trying to say... The beginning digital imager should be aware of the possible pitfalls involved. I didn't have the opportunity of learning from all the fine folks on this forum before "diving in." I'm learning a lot now, though!

As I said before I have not totally given up on Piezo. Maybe one day I'll have the money to invest in a "better" printer for this software and inks and all will be good. I, for one, like the "color" and tonality that the PT-ST inkset lays down on Photo Rag. I was tremendously disappointed that it didn't work out. Hmm...maybe an Epson 1280, now that a rebate is available, would work well. According to what I've read from others on this list, the 1280 seems to have minimal problems with the new PT inks. After all, there is a lot to like about Piezo: the minute tonal differentiation, dotless output, the paper profiles, the simplicity of the workflow, to name a few. I'm not casting stones at IJM, Jon, or Piezo, just, maybe, letting off some steam.

Thank you to all for listening.

Best regards,
Alan

-----Original Message-----
From:	Martin Wesley [SMTP:mwesley250@...]
Sent:	Thursday, August 08, 2002 7:44 PM
To:	DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject:	Re: [Digital BW] PiezoTones:  Are they ready for prime time ?

Alan,

What seems to continue to be true is that we all are having a wide variety
of experience with the different ink sets. Some people do just fine and
others have nothing but problems.

I have been running MIS-VM in one 1280 for 10 months or more with minimal
clogging or banding problems. A couple of strange incidents where a nozzle
cut out in the middle or a print and then kicked back in again before the
print was complete.

I played around with MIS-FS, FS Neutral, Sepia-VM and some blends of my own
on my second 1280 using cartridges. This gave me many more problems with
clogs. Just about every print session needed to be proceeded with nozzle
checks and frequently multiple nozzle cleaning cycles and a couple of
overnight sits.

I tried the Warm Neutral PiezoTone inks with a CIS in the same printer and
initially had zero clog problems. After several weeks I suddenly got some
banding which cleared up with a couple of nozzle cleanings. After that I had
to check nozzles at the start of every print session and usually do a
cleaning. After about 2 weeks of this I got nothing but good nozzle checks
and no more clogs.

The same printer was changed over to the Selenium PiezoTone with a new CIS
and I have had minor clogging problems. I do a nozzle check before each
print session and it is good probably 8 or 9 times out of 10. The checks
that aren't good clear up in 1 to 4 nozzle cleaning cycles. I have lost a
couple of 13x19 prints when a nozzle clogged mid print like the VM but other
than that okay. No quite as clog free as the first 1280 with VM but good
enough if I do my checks. Nothing compared to the clog nightmares I had with
the original Piezo on my 1200.

In general I have had much worse problems with clogs using cartridges than I
have using a CIS. This was true with my original 1200 and the original Piezo
inks as well. Other people have found the opposite to be true. They get
fewer clogs with cartridges and have a terrible time with the CIS.

The only explanation I can offer is printer to printer variation. Or perhaps
climate extremes.

In the mean time I am printing away with the Selenium PT and pretty much
like it better than anything else I have tried. I am sorry to hear they
worked out so poorly for you.

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Huntley" <prasepe@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 6:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] PiezoTones: Are they ready for prime time ?


> I have tried several times and spent more $ than I care to admit to trying
to get the Piezo system routinely working successfully on
> my Epson 1160. Each time I have returned to MIS inks. I got so frustrated
this last time 'round that I loaded up a brand new CIS
> with MIS VM inks and tossed the PiezoTone ST cartridges in the trash!
Microbanding, clogging, etc., is, regardless what Jon and
> Co. say, a very real problem. They continually blame it on the
hardware...I ain't buying it!
>
> Case in point:  when I had the ST cartridges installed, I printed a few
images one afternoon and returned the next evening to print
> another one. A quick nozzle check--which I routinely do every time before
beginning a print session--revealed about 1/2 the nozzles
> not firing. I ran several cleaning cycles, let it sit overnight (can't
tell ya how pleased I am to have to do this!), and the next day's
> nozzle check showed that all but 1 or 2 were firing properly. I went ahead
with my printing, anyway. Shouldn't have bothered because
> banding was present once again.
>
> OK...I've tossed the ST cartridges and installed MIS VM. Printed a couple
of images and, then the printer sat for maybe 4 or 5
> days. Upon turning it on, I did my usual nozzle check and, voila, perfect
from the get go! Even the 1 or 2 that I could NEVER get
> going with the Piezo cartridges were now OK. Can't say I've totally given
up on Piezo--I'm stubborn and the paper profiles are a
> very nice to have item--but, given the ability to modify the "color" of
the print using Paul's VM inkset, and the results obtained, I'm
> pretty much sold on MIS VM for now. I'm getting beautiful prints on EAM.
I'm satisfied. Life is good.........
>
> Hope this helps in your decision.
>
> Best regards,
> Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lawrencetrek [SMTP:ltitle@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:59 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] PiezoTones:  Are they ready for prime time ?
>
> Microbanding, clogging, and now clipping ...
>
> As I debate making an investment into a new 1280 printer for PiezoTones
> carts, some of you guys are continuing to scare me off.  How, prevalent
are
> these problems ?  Are any of you having trouble free printing with the new
> inks (with the 1280 carts rather than CIS) and producing excellent prints
?  If
> so, why are others posting such problems.
>
> Now, I am starting to consider the prospect of buying the Epson 2200 and
> buying custom printer profiles to try to produce my B/W digital prints.
Could
> be less stressful until more of the kinks are removed from piezography.
Help
> and guidance would be appreciated.
>
>
>
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