Hi Jerry and Julian- Jerry, AFAIK, you would only have to profile your monitor to a 2.2 workspace. In my system, I use Optical to profile my monitor (also a Mitsubishi ;^), using Adobe98 as the target profile- with a 2.2 gamma and D65 color temp. My default PS workspaces are A-98 for RGB and 2.2 for GS. I have never seen a convincing argument for or against 1.8 or 2.2- for me it's primarily one of compatibility- most modern equipment (recent scanners, digicams, etc.), seem to be set to a 2.2 space by default, so in cases where no profile is applied, or is unknown, a 2.2 space will result in fewer "upsets." On the other hand, when I scan with a older Scitex scanner (designed for a Mac system), I assume the gamma to be 1.8, and set my monitor to match until I convert to a 2.2 space in PS. But what do I know... I'll wait 'til some helpful soul shows me why I'm half-baked ;^) Bill Morse PhotoProspect Cambridge, MA 02139 on 8/30/02 12:20 PM, Jerry Olson wrote: > I have a Mitsubishi with a trinitron tube, and I have always used 1.8 > gamma. If I used 2.2 I'd have to reprofile everything, no? > > What would be the advantage to using 2.2? > > Jerry > > > > Julian Thomas wrote: >> >> yeah I know but only the ones with the Apple badge on the front are designed >> for a 1.8 gamma - I only know this because of the Mac experts on Prodig. >> check the archives their and you'll find apple's explanation - I think! >> These folk don't work in a closed loop system but send work on their system >> to others to work on as well so colour management for them is essential. >> Anyway - I am but an egg >> >> Julian >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> >> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Time to dive in >> >>> Julian, Most if not all Mac Monitors are or were made by Sony. Hence >> "Trinitron". >>> >>> Jerry >>> >>> Julian Thomas wrote: >>>> >>>> Well again from the Mac colour experts - only monitors with a mac badge >> on >>>> the front. If anyone wants info on colour spaces and profiling the >> Prodig >>>> list is an amazing resource. http://www.prodig.org >>>> This gamma thing re different platforms was gone into in some depth >>>> >>>> Julian >>>> >>>> J >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> >>>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:39 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Time to dive in >>>> >>>>> I think its Trinitron, or is that what you meant by mac badged? >> Anyhoo, >>>>> 1.8 works fine for me. >>>>> >>>>> Jerry >>>>> >>>>> Julian Thomas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Erm don't mean to contradict but from the Mac colour gurus on the >> Prodig >>>>>> list 1.8 gamma for the mac ONLY if the monitor is a Mac-badged >> monitor >>>>>> >>>>>> Julian >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> >>>>>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:19 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Time to dive in >>>>>> >>>>>>> Use 1.8 gamma on a Mac, and 2.2 on a PC. But if you are going with >> the >>>>>>> MIS VM inks, you need to convert to a RGB file before printing, >> and >>>> Use >>>>>>> one of Paul Roark's curves. You can then get anything from a cold >> tone >>>>>>> to a warm tone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jerry >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've decided to try MIS VM in an 1160. My G4 set in the 1160 >> and >>>> 3rd >>>>>>>> party dyes in the 1290 just don't cut it for black and white. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I'm uncertain about is the greyscale working space to use. >> My >>>>>>>> PS colour preferences are set to US prepress defaults (dot gain >>>>>>>> 20%). However, I remember reading somewhere about using grey >> gamma >>>>>>>> 2.2. Why would that be so? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> K2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, >> Polls >>>> and >>>>>> other resources as they are often being updated. 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Re: [Digital BW] Time to dive in- Start with a calibrated workflow!
2002-08-30 by Bill Morse