Digital BW, The Print

On 9/2/02 12:26 AM, "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...> wrote:

>> I guess the appropriate issue to resurrect is what was the most fade
>> resistant black again?  MIS FS...or was it MIS VM...and what exactly is
> the
>> difference?
> 
> I believe the FS and VM black are the same at this point and only the MIS
> original quads K is different.

Paul just confirmed that...but the MIS DD K is a different beast.  The FS
and VM is best on EAM and Hahnemuhle...but as I recall the MIS DD K does
better on Museo and Eclipse...complete reversal.
 
>>  It would be easy to sub that black into a set of the Selenium
>> Piezotones and give up dmax...but get the fade resistance and color of the
>> rest of the Piezotones...remember Cone simply uses the same black across
> all
>> the sets...so it shouldn't matter whose you use.
> 
> The problem is that the FS/VM black is very neutral and the PT black is red
> warm so if you made that substitution you would have the best of both worlds
> as far as warm/fade but I suspect you would have an ink set closer to
> FS-Neutral than Selenium PT in hue. I have both on hand and some empty carts
> for the 1280 so I should give it a try.

Why don't you...I'll try the MIS DD the same way.

> Well I think that they really ought to do that. They would really only need
> to offer it in bottles as I think most of the heavy users are working with
> CIS or hand filling. This then raises the problems of the software. We
> already have reports of poor profile matches with some printer/paper
> combinations with the Selenium PT and changing the black would add to the
> problems. Obviously from the way Jon is burning his bridges with Sundance on
> his list I don't expect any new profiles for the Piezo driver and the
> PiezoTones. ImagePrint is not a solution for the desktop unless they want to
> greatly increase the number of profiles, supported printers and slash the
> price.

Imageprint profiles are free for Imageprint...they will profile anything you
like...and in addition there is talk about them making their profiling
software available for free...all you need is a densitometer.

> I suggested to Hiram French that it might be to his benefit and the benefit
> of the end users to profile the MIS-FS and PiezoTone inks for the R9 plugin
> as well as the Sundance inks. I think that from a software point of view
> Sundance may be in a position to respond more quickly than anyone else. I
> certainly would be willing to pay for an upgrade or a whole new version that
> had 40 paper profiles for 6 different inks and 7 desktop printers.
> 
It seems to me that it would certainly be to his benefit...but this market
is somewhat irrational...people get mad and stay mad at each other...but
obviously not forever...Colorbyte and Cone are back together again!

Robert