Digital BW, The Print

Martin,

The reason I asked was: Is the "S" eggplant look in PT-S coming from 
the black ink, or the dark gray? So if there are colorants in the 
color ink positions, they must be pigment, rather than dye.

Best

Shilesh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "shileshcjani" <shilesh.jani@s...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Media Street Black + FS-N was PiezoTone 
Selenium
> 300 Hr Fade test
> 
> 
> > Martin,
> >
> > Thank you. In your observation, did the color position inks of 
the PT-
> > NW and PT-S also show this color break-up when you cleaned the
> > syringes?
> 
> Shilesh,
> 
> I don't remember seeing anything but it has been awhile. Both the 
NW and S
> gray inks were so rock solid in Paul's fade test they would seem to 
be the
> ones to go with.
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> > <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "janishilesh" <shilesh.jani@s...>
> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 7:18 AM
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Media Street Black + FS-N was PiezoTone
> > Selenium 300
> > > Hr Fade test
> > >
> > >
> > > > Martin,
> > > >
> > > > As you and I discussed on the phone a few days back, I am
> > interested
> > > > in the deeper blacks of the new PT inks. I do not have at 
hand,
> > but I
> > > > do have MediaStreet Generations Black (MS-GK). These inks also
> > > > supposedely have dye content in it to give the deeper black. I
> > used
> > > > this ink with FS-N (vacuum filled virgin carts, not CIS). The
> > prints
> > > > were very, very nice once I created a new curves adjustment 
layer.
> > > > However, within a few prints, one a 12 x 18 print, the color 
cart
> > > > started to leak like crazy (!). I dont know why, but it 
certainly
> > > > made a mess of my b/w 1280.
> > > >
> > > > Not wanting to give up completely, I played around the kitchen
> > sink
> > > > with FS-NK and the MS-GK. It is incredible how these inks are
> > > > different. I took two very white porcelin cups filled with 
water,
> > and
> > > > put a drop of each of these inks in them each. Even the first
> > > > interaction with water is very different. But the most obvious
> > > > difference is that FS-NK is very neutral, and single hued. 
The MS-
> > GK,
> > > > on the otherhand, separates out into a dye (very
> > purple/red/magenta)
> > > > content and more or less masks any native pigment color. So is
> > the PT-
> > > > K the same as MS-GK? And was my cartridge dripping caused by
> > > > incompatibilities between FS-N and MS-GK when on the parking 
pad?
> > Or
> > > > was it just a bad fill job?
> > >
> > > Shilesh,
> > >
> > > I really am beginning to wonder if the PT-K and the Gen-K are 
not
> > the same
> > > ink. What you describe in your dilution test is exactly what I 
saw
> > in the
> > > sink after cleaned up the syringes I used to take samples from 
the
> > MIS-VM K
> > > and PT-K bottles. The VM-K is obviously a very neutral black but
> > the PT-K
> > > broke up into a warm/purple just as you describe.
> > >
> > > Also check out Paul's fade testing of the Gen and Indelible 
blacks
> > in
> > > folder:
> > >
> > > Files > Ink Sets > MIS
> > >
> > > and then take a look at his fade test of the PT-K, PzoTone-VM-
FS-K-
> > 100 hr
> > > fade test.jpg ,
> > > in folder:
> > >
> > > Files > Ink Sets > PiezoTones > PiezoTone vs MIS-FS
> > >
> > > Is Generations making the PT inks for Jon?
> > >
> > > The leaking cartridge would probably be something else. Perhaps 
a
> > vacuum
> > > leak in the cart? If the inks reacted badly together I would 
expect
> > a
> > > clogging rather than a leak but I believe they are compatible.
> > >
> > > Martin Wesley
> >
> >
> >
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