I'd add in a "Beginner/Dabbler/Curious" system: Printer - A4 Epson 810/820 or 890 (not everyone can afford an A3 printer at first!) Ink - standard Epson, maybe dabbling with other inksets later (you can actually get OK prints from straight black Epson inks) Also, consider buying a second-hand printer if you're a beginner, such as an Epson 1160 or 1270, and using the special B&W inksets with it. If you're lucky, it might even come with a CIS already set up. Darren. www.pool-room.com <http://www.pool-room.com> -----Original Message----- From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@...] Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2002 2:30 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Is Now Really The Time? Matt, That is a great idea and one that has been kicked around before but nothing has come of it. I will take a shot and the other experts can kick in. My one guideline for what follows assumes getting items that can be had new or at least refurbed, that you already have a computer and Photoshop, big assumptions but we need to start somewhere. "Budget" System: Printer - Epson 1280 (very few photographers will want to be limited to an 8,5" wide printer.) If you already have an old printer you want to use then that would be the way to go if possible but not all printers are supported. Ink - MIS-VM, Buy virgin carts, bulk ink and hand load until you can afford a CIS. Workflow - RGB Separation curves, Paul Roark's, Tyler Boley's, your own Scanner: Epson 2450 Medium Cost: Printer - Epson 1280 Ink - PiezoTone or MIS-FS Workflow - Piezo/R9 plugin Scanner: Epson 1680 for medium and large format and/or a 35mm film scanner. Expensive: Set up both the Budget and the Medium systems plus a 3000 for 17x22 along with a medium format film scanner. Very Expensive: To all of the above add a drum scanner and a wide format Epson printer with a RIP. Martin Wesley http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html <http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Farias" <M_Farias@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 8:48 PM Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Is Now Really The Time? > Hi I'm a newbie to the group and I'm interested in printing in b&w. > There seems to be a lot of things that I need to catch up with in terms > of information. Would you be willing to make recommendations on how to > get started? Create a list of "Option 1" and "Option 2" etc. Option > 1: Beginners; low cost. Option 2: Intermediate; good upgrade to > beginners list. Option 3: Professional: High quality, medium to deep > pockets. Get the idea? How does one get started? I understand that > there will plenty of opinions on what is good and what is not. But that > is what the group is for right? May be our group caretaker "Modulator" > can post a library of information like this so new members can have a > way of catching up. Also have our hard core guru's post tips (do's and > don'ts or "white papers") that support the list on file. Also look into > having a monthly or quarterly "Class session" that continues to support > what on the list. Perhaps this can spur a yearly photo contest within > the group. > > I'm just thinking out loud, it would be great to have a group generating > a lot of ideas to help people enjoy their hobby or craft rather than > just answering problems. At least I think so! > > New to DigitalB&WThePrint, > Graywolf > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...] > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 11:10 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Is Now Really The Time? > > Ned, > > With the right software, curves and inksets, digital printing has > already surpassed darkroom printing in sharpness, highlight detail, > shadow detail and all around quality. > > There are so many things available now, you might want to start looking > into them. > > jerry > > Join one of the many print exhanges and you'll see what is possible. > > nedbuntline2002 wrote: > > > > I've had a darkroom for quite some time, and I'm rather proficient at > > the old techniques. But I'm getting shoved (mostly by publications) > > into thinking about digital. 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RE: [Digital BW] Is Now Really The Time?
2002-09-04 by Darren Collins