--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Vincent Orlando" <orlandovl@h...> wrote: > > Jim, I am not quite sure of the difference between a CIS and CFS, > Maybe you can help me with the difference > Thanks in advance > > Vinny > Vinny, Mainly just made by two different sources with somewhat different features. Most (used to be all) CIS that I know of are made by nomorecarts.com who used to sell directly from their website; now they only sell through distributers who name them things like "Niagra". The recent Niagra II system I think it is- I don't know if nomorecarts makes it or if it is a copy with improvements. If you go to the nomorecarts website you will see enough pictures to get an idea. It is called the Continuous Inking System. The CFS ( the Continuous Flow System) is made by MIS. I don't know of anyone else but MIS that sells them. If you were to take a poll, most people would say they prefer the CIS. I posted a few opinions on the virtues of each a week or two back. I'll highlight a few here: 1) If you have a chipped printer (1280/1290/1270) you will find that the CIS has a special chip that always reads full- you don't have to reset it. It is expensive though, and for a time recently could not be bought seperately (see the We-Ink site to buy these seperately). It adds $90 US (for two chips) to the cost of the CIS. The CFS uses a chip which has to be reset with an approx $45 device- the f16 resetter; the chips themselves ($5 each) can be DOA or can blow out when handling them or installing them (tip: install a CFS with a chip with power to printer off and unplugged and avoid static charge buildup by touching ground before picking one up). 2) the CFS is not as polished as the CIS, has less complete and updated instructions, and is more mess and effort to install. Gee, so why even consider a CFS? Well... 3) The CFS is much less expensive, and all the parts- tubing, elbow joints, carts, bottle caps, adhesive to glue cart to elbows- can be bought seperately. You can buy it in pieces and make it yourself (save about $10 over assembled CFS). Or buy just the carts/tubing and replace your currrent CFS quite cheaply. So switching inks or renewing with fresh ink every 6 months if you think your old ink is bad is $$ feasible. It costs about $38 (+ ink cost)to do this- the same cost roughly of buying new carts and flushing tubing on a CIS. So it may be less work to replace a CFS because no tubing/elbow/flushing work is involved other then trimming to length- you get a new set to thread thru the bottle caps. And new tubing with no ink deposits to flush out. 4) The plastic arm that holds the tubing on the CIS and is velcrowed to the printer top can sag and give you a really bad day when the tubing crashes into the head. The tubing clamps that perform the same purpose on the CFS are not going anywhere, although on the 1280 you have to remove the cover, at least when printing. 5) A real big plus is MIS offers optional cart clamps that have been chewed out by them to allow clearance for tubing. The cart clamps are the hinged tops on the print head that push the non CIS/CFS carts down and lock them in place. You remove them to install a CIS or CFS. On the CFS, you can replace them with these modified from MIS for an extra $10 for the k and color carts both. They firmly lock down the carts and solve the problem that the CIS/CFS would otherwise have of riding up over time, off the nipple. This is a serious problem not only because it causes air to get into the head (bad, very bad), but because if it is a chipped printer, it can cause a red light to go on because the chip has ridden up a fraction above the mating connector. I don't know if these cart clamps will work with a CIS; they are chewed out to accomodate a CFS. The CIS AFAIK still relies on felt pads to give friction to prevent riding up- not a perfect solution IMHO. I hear some people in the past have added tape or other things wrapped around the head to hold the CIS carts down. On my two 1160's with CIS units I found the riding up did occur but as long as I pressed down carts every so often routinely I was okay. I don't know how well the read only chips on an 1280 CIS would take a misalignment though. Jim H.
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Re: J HayesHelp-non use of printer
2002-09-13 by jim hayes
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