>Mark wrote- >I'm new to the Piezo system so I'm having a hard time telling if the >results I'm getting are normal or if I have a defective printer or am >doing something wrong. Snip >My highlights >are fine, but dots are very visible once the black ink kicks in when >printing shadows (at least I think it is the black ink and not the >dark gray ink). I have noticed something similar in reprinting images (and ramps) with the PiezoTone WN inks that I had previously done with the original Piezo (Sundance) inks. The 50% to 85% range seemed "coarser" with the new inks. Rather like the difference between Rodinal grain and D-76 grain, crisp sandpaper as opposed to oatmeal. That is the "Cyan" position ink in Piezo laid over the "Magenta" (and "Yellow"?), not the Black. The old ink warm/faded, the new doesn't. I suspect the dye or whatever that was in the old ink "bled" a bit and helped blend the pigment dots. I've also had problems with using the old profiles with the new inks. The PhotoRag 188 profile seems a bit light in the lower "Magenta" position range. That makes the entry of the darker "Cyan" dots more apparent, and the "gaps" in the "Cyan ink" laydown seem lighter and thus more visible as "white dots" or grain. This cannot be eliminated with head alignment. I saw this last week when I compared the "Proof of Piezography" test patches from a 7000/IP 5/MIS-FSN set-up with my 1160/Piezo/PT-WN, both on Photo Rag. The IP 5 dither was almost perfectly smooth throughout the scale, the Piezo "dots" visible at 50% and higher. No contest, and I also began to wonder if my 1160 was screwy. Because of the poor profile, the 50% patch with PT-WN eyeballs equal to the 35% sector with FSN, so the "Cyan" transition at 55% is obvious. On the other hand, the 95%-60% Piezo range is darker than the IP-5 throughout, but the 100% D-max of the FSN K was higher than the Piezotone K (initial black formulation). It would be interesting if there are any ink "collectors" out there who could measure the full strength density of the various quad sets by position. My hunch is the PiezoTone WN inks are darker in the Cyan position and/or lighter in the Magenta than the originals, and thus dark tones appear coarser or grainier. The IP-5 FSN also had better highlight separation that the PT-WN, and the 7000/IP-5 easily resolved the 1/360 bars, the 1160 Piezo printed them solid. Youse gets what youse pays for. I wouldn't generalize further until I get some (back-ordered) Museum Black and can install the Selenium set. While Mark's 1200 is a six ink printer, Piezo is a quad process designed for the now ancient four ink 3000 and 1160. It seems crazy to still run just four inks on 6/7 ink printers. If IJM is redesigning Piezo from scratch, let's hope they do it in hex-tone. "Let your mid-tones be dotless too..." might make a nice slogan -- Bruce C. Kinch Associate Professor of Photography The Art Institute of Boston at Lesley University
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Re: [Digital BW] Are these dots normal??? (using piezography)
2002-11-13 by Bruce Kinch
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