Digital BW, The Print

Some time ago I ordered the VM inkset for my 1270 and couldn't get anything working.  The tonal range was lacking.  Now I have the VM-S set with revised curves for the 1270, and it is great.  Lots of detail and range, plus some longetity, I hope.  With the Paul Roark curves and the VM-S set, I get a cool sepia all the way to a neutral b&w.  My favorite is the mw curve, pleasingly warm with no green cast.  I suggest you go back through the workflow step by step.  BTW, I'm picky also - my darkroom printing is fiber silver or pt/pd.

  --Ken
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: cristianbaitg 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 1:59 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Dissapointed With MIS VM Quadtone inks


  Hi fellows 


  Yes I am frustrated. I have bee searching for the holy Grail for so 
  long and finally I am close to give up. After many tries I am still 
  very far from a decent B&W photo. I have not tried 2200 yet and some 
  people find the result quite good but I don't think I would get rid 
  of the terrible metamerism that ALL printer suffer. 

  Some say That Image Print 5 solves the problem. May be but after 
  spending so much money on printers,inks and papers I think I have to 
  put a limit on my spendings. My girlfriend is already going crazy 
  with all the money that I have pulled out in my holy task. 

  After trying different papers on HP and Epson ( HP designjet 10ps 
  and EPSON 1290 ) I can say that they badly suffer from 
  metamerism...even if I print only black ink. Both printer have a 
  nice resolution and make stuning colour pictures but not in B&W when 
  you have a nice neutral print under tungsten light it get an awful 
  green cast under daylight. This happens also with only black ink. By 
  the way of all the combinations I tried...1290 only black ink with 
  Premium Semigloss Photo Paper gives the best result, second is Color 
  Life and third Premium Glossy photo. But the black ink is not 
  metamerism free so again it's not an option for me. Also with only 
  black ink you get lots of dots on highlight areas.

  With colour ink metamerism is even worse.......but you get better 
  transitions and no dots.

  I also bought MIS Quadtones VM and worked with Paul Roark workflow 
  with Epson Archival Matte and Crane's Museo. I tell you I was never 
  more dissapointed in my life. Now I understand that so many 
  galleries don't want inkjet prints. It's not about longevity, it's 
  about quality. Pictures with MIS and EAM are drawings not photos. 
  Under my point of view they are sooooo far away from Fiber based 
  prints. 

  Tomorrow I will get some photos done on a LAMBDA Laser Lab. With R4 
  photographic process and on a luster paper I cross my hands that 
  finally I will get some decent results (I would be happy if they are 
  decent not even good).

  I know that 2200 with IP5 might be the solution but as I said my 
  wallet is too tired. 

  So....I don't know....may be Epson will come out with great B&W inks 
  some day. The resolution is there, the papers are there......the 
  INKS ARE NOT THERE. 

  By the way...I am photojournalist. I have been developing my B&W 
  photo for 6 years now. And I think that a good fiber or even RC is 
  light years ahead of any ink print I have seen so far. That's only 
  my radical point of view. I guess some will support this statement 
  and some will think I am crazy. 

  I can only tell you I am frustrated.




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