Paul: I did not roll the screen door spring/dowel combo, but rather dragged it (letting its own weight be the major downward force). No rolling. Thanks to Carl for his link to the wire size charts. Now we can really talk knowledgeably about our wet film thicknesses. The expansion in print size (1/16" over 11") after coating and drying was interesting. I will try the "padding" under the print. In an effort to minimize handling while wet, etc. I was considering a layer of plastic wrap (wrapping the glass and "padding") under the print. My thought is that I could leave the wet print taped in place, minimize handling and still have easy cleanup. Does this seem reasonable? Let's hope that Epson does not get this information or screen door springs will be given an Epson part number, cost 49.95 and be unavailable due to a screen door strike. S. Stan Shire Associate Professor/Department Chair Photographic Imaging Community College of Philadelphia Adobe Photoshop 6 A.C.E. Author: Hands On Photoshop 7: Tutorial Workshops 215 751-8320 sshire@... -----Original Message----- From: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 12:18 AM To: DigitalB&WPrint Subject: [Digital BW] Mayer Rod Substitute...the saga and workflow Stan, You wrote: >... screen door parts ... looks like a Mayer Rod .. >the spring. (#4 D&G Spring, Zinc, about 15.25" in length) $2.42. I like it. Now we'll have to see if they have different sizes of springs. > .0488. This is larger than Paul's #14 Mayer (I think >.035) I think the #15 that I started with has .015" wire on it. I thought that is where they got those numbers from. I find myself using the #30 most now, and I think EAM absorbs so much it could go to a #45 -- so we may be close here. > A 1/4" dowel fits nicely inside the spring ... Does it roll when you drag it across the surface? I was told not to roll the bar, but I'm not sure what effect that would have (aside from leaving a lot more of the coating on the rod/spring. Keep experimenting. I think the toughest part may be scaling the process up to large prints. I'm not getting the evenness I'd like to on my 16x20s, and Mark Tucker has resorted to spraying for larger prints -- which is more work. I'm not sure the hard glass surface is the best. As the print and rod length get larger, I think maintaining a precise flatness becomes much more difficult. I have found that a couple pieces of paper under an 8x10 helps. I think more of a cushion under a larger print may be needed. In the real world use of these rods, a flexible web is dragged across the rod. This is flexible enough that the surface being coated conforms to the rod. I notice that Diversified Enterprises uses 1/2 inch glass on its platform, and they have a cushion that is also used. So, I think we may need to experiment with different surfaces. For cleanup, I also think coated butcher paper makes a lot of sense. So, my next experiments may include a piece of cloth taped to the glass, then some butcher paper over that. I've tried some felt, and that was too thick. The resulting coating had lines in it. So, just keep experimenting. The results look good enough to warrant the effort. Paul http://www.PaulRoark.com Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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RE: [Digital BW] Mayer Rod Substitute...the saga and workflow
2002-12-08 by Shire,Stanley
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