You wrote "you can't really build a custom profile to counter this effect since no spectrophotometer/profile bundle is designed to deal with metamerism." This is about to change. I had a lengthy discussion with a Gretag/Macbeth engineer at PhotoPlus Expo in NYC last month. He said that Q1 - 2003, software will be available for the EyeOne to make it act as a spectroradiometer (Boy, that's my word-of-the-week) The concept is that a standard profile is built; the EyeOne (presumably on a laptop) is placed under the display light source (the EyeOne, I assume is pointed at the light source to measure the ambient light). This data then modifies the profile to create one which, under that specific light source, exhibits no metamerism) Also, ColorByte's profiles for Imageprint come in 3 flavors (cool white, daylight and tungsten). The metamerism issue is being addressed. Stan Shire Associate Professor/Department Chair Photographic Imaging Community College of Philadelphia Adobe Photoshop 6 A.C.E. Author: Hands On Photoshop 7: Tutorial Workshops 215 751-8320 sshire@... -----Original Message----- From: sanfo2003 <SandyCornelius@...> [mailto:SandyCornelius@...] Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 3:10 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: New Lepp Profiles for 2200 The problem I'm running into with greyscale images on the 2200 is with metamerism. From what I understand metamerism is caused by an unaligned distribution of pigment particles in the ink that causes the reflected light to scatter. It seems that as the thickness of the the ink layer varies so does the metamerism effect thus getting a hue shift across tones. The fundamental hue will change depending on the frequency of light reflecting off the ink pigment, this is why you get the characteristic magenta cast under tungsten light and green cast under daylight. Since the hue is constantly shifting within lighter and darker areas of the print due to metamerism, you can't really build a custom profile to counter this effect since no spectrophotometer/profile bundle is designed to deal with metamerism. Another phenomenom that we have to deal with is that the human eye can pick up a subtle color cast in a greyscale image right away when the same cast may go unnoticed in a color image. Tons of toner solution has been sold in the conventional darkroom field to take artistic advantage of this ability to pick up a color cast in greyscale. So, as far as digital greyscale images are concerned, one could have a spot-on profile but still have an unacceptable print due to metamerism. The bottom line is this: metamerism is an ink issue and must be solved there before greyscales are beautifully consistant using archival pigment inks. Mechanically Epson printers are there, now Epson should concentrate on their drivers and inks to deal with the above. I know it can be done (in fact, some say ColorByte's ImagePrint 5.0 RIP has already done it, although it wouldn't run on my machine), and when it is we can concentrate on the art -- and Epson can sell more printers and ink. I would call that a win-win situation. Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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RE: [Digital BW] Re: New Lepp Profiles for 2200
2002-12-08 by Shire,Stanley
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