Paul, One thing to remember here...is that the technology that you are being handed from these companies is for coating wood...a rigid, hard surface. The demands on a coating for a flexible, porous substrate like paper are very different. That's one reason why no artist's materials companies use polyurethanes. Regardless of what you are being told about the aliphatic water-based polyurethanes...no significant crosslinking occurs after the original emulsion polymerization reaction...that's marketing hype. The film cure is very similar between the polyurethanes and the acrylics. The difference is that the polyurethane polymer is harder and more light sensitive than some acrylics. Because of the huge range of acrylics polymers, products can be formulated with a considerable variance in hardness. The key in this application is to get something that is just hard enough that there isn't a tack problem, but not as hard as polyurethane so that there is still flexibility. Of course this isn't an issue with wood. Robert On 12/10/02 9:59 AM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote: > Robert wrote: > >> Hydrocote is a polyurethane that is already polymerized!... >> that's why it is called "poly". There are coatings which you >> add a cross-linker to but they are not available in >> water-based formula. > > My understanding is that the water-based, single-component polyurethanes do > cross-link after application, whereas the acrylics do not. Both are (I've > been told) soft "golf balls" in suspension. While the best cross-linking is > with the 2-component, solvent-based polyurethanes, the single-component > water-borne version is said to be about half way between the acrylics and > the industrial-strength PURs. > > As I understand it, the importance of the cross-linking is that without it > the coating is porous and cannot achieve as high hardness relative to > brittleness. Many seem to recommend that a water-borne acrylic be coated > with a solvent-based polymer to seal it and reduce the "tackiness" of the > surface. My hope with the PUR is to get a single-step coating procedure > that is tough enough to withstand some abuse. > > For a tough, durable coating, the aliphatic PURs are the standard, as far as > I can tell. The 2-component, solvent-borne versions just seem like they'd > be too much of a hassle to use. > > One company has said it will send a formula to me/us that will make a > 2-component water-based PUR. This is the next step even for industrial > PURs, in part due to the pressure on VOCs. This would probably be the > strongest water-based coating possible today, but I have yet to receive the > materials. > > Paul > http://www.PaulRoark.com > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
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Re: [Digital BW] Coating (was Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results)
2002-12-10 by Robert Morrison
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