Digital BW, The Print

I believe the straight scoop is that:

Royal Jazz = 188gm William turner
Royal Plush = 310gm German Etching

I have the Royal Jazz and it is 188gm William Turner.  It has now been
confirmed by several people that Royal Plush is 310gm German Etching.  Media
Street doesn't sell the other combinations.  Just for reference the 188 and
310gm William Turner papers have different surfaces that can vary quite a
lot from lot to lot because of Hahnemuhule's poor quality control.  It
ranges from cotton soft to a sandpaper feel.  They also freely vary optical
brighteners.  I've seen William turner with OB's and also without OB's in
the coating.  There is always a little bit of OB's in the paper...they must
use old t-shirts as a pulp source.

Robert

On 12/14/02 5:47 AM, "steven0356 <stevenr@...>"
<stevenr@...> wrote:

> 
> I think I see where some of the confusion comes from. On
> mediastreet.com web site they state that:
> 
> " Royal Jazz 190 gsm is a thinner version of our very popular Royal
> Plush. "
> 
> But, When you go down to the Royal Plush they state that the "Royal
> Plush is somewhere between the Royal Jazz and the Royal Weave".
> 
> Are these the same paper or not? This is all very confusing.
> 
> If it's not the same paper, does anyone sell a cheaper , renamed
> version , of the William Turner 310 gsm?
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>>> This is a problem with people not completely copying prior messages.  I
>>> believe what Jerry was saying was the Royal Plush was a different name for
>>> German Etching paper.  German Etching and William Turner are obviously not
>>> the same Hahnemuhle papers, and yes William Turner is a rag paper, and
>>> German Etching is not.  Royal Jazz is definitely the lightweight William
>>> Turner...what is up in the air is whether Royal Plush is the heavy weight
>>> German Etching or William Turner.
>>> 
>>> The Hahnemuhle naming mess revisited once again.
>> 
>> The Wilhelm tests for Generations + Royal Plush started before William
>> Turner was introduced by Hahnemuhle.
>> Royal Plush is German Etching as far as I know. William Turner should also
>> have a slightly smoother surface than Royal Plush aka German Etching. I
>> believe that William Turner appeared on the market in the summer of 2000
>> just after the Drupa.
>> 
>> Hahnemuhle's range and names are clear, the resellers should name their
>> papers a bit more Hahnemuhle like ;-)
>> 
>> Ernst
> 
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