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> Were is the best place to buy William Turner 300 paper or it's
> equivalent.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
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> Www.Digitalartsupply.com has the heavyweight.  I think
> www.freestylephoto.com might have it as well but you will have to contact
> them to make sure its the heavyweight.  Www.mediastreet.com sells the
> lightweight branded under royal jazz and www.inkjetmall.com sells it under
> Wells River. Have you used this paper before?  It gives beautiful blacks,
> but has significant flaking problems if you aren't careful.
> 
> Robert
> 


> > Were is the best place to buy William Turner 300 paper or it's
> > equivalent.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
>

> Yes I bought a quantity of it a while back and had no flaking problems 
> what so ever. I love the feel and the look of the paper.
> 
> What are some of the things you can do to avoid the flaking problems?
> 
> Are the Royal Jazz and Wells River the same paper or are they just 
> really similar.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Steve
> 
> > 
> > Www.Digitalartsupply.com has the heavyweight.  I think
> > www.freestylephoto.com might have it as well but you will have to contact
> > them to make sure its the heavyweight.  Www.mediastreet.com sells the
> > lightweight branded under royal jazz and www.inkjetmall.com sells it under
> > Wells River. Have you used this paper before?  It gives beautiful blacks,
> > but has significant flaking problems if you aren't careful.
> > 
> > Robert
> > 
> 
> 
> > > Were is the best place to buy William Turner 300 paper or it's
> > > equivalent.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > > Steve
> > > 
> >

> 
> According to mediastreet.com  royal jazz and Royal Plush are the same
> paper. The only difference is that the Royal Plush is thicker.
> 
> Does this mean that the Royal Plush is the same paper as the William
> Turner 310?
> 
> Steve Schaefer
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Yes I bought a quantity of it a while back and had no flaking problems
>> what so ever. I love the feel and the look of the paper.
>> 
>> What are some of the things you can do to avoid the flaking problems?
>> 
>> Are the Royal Jazz and Wells River the same paper or are they just
>> really similar.
>> 
>> Thanks for your help.
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>>> 
>>> Www.Digitalartsupply.com has the heavyweight.  I think
>>> www.freestylephoto.com might have it as well but you will have to contact
>>> them to make sure its the heavyweight.  Www.mediastreet.com sells the
>>> lightweight branded under royal jazz and www.inkjetmall.com sells it under
>>> Wells River. Have you used this paper before?  It gives beautiful blacks,
>>> but has significant flaking problems if you aren't careful.
>>> 
>>> Robert
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> Were is the best place to buy William Turner 300 paper or it's
>>>> equivalent.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Steve
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
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On 12/13/02 11:56 AM, "Carolyn Frayn" <carolynfrayn@...> wrote:

> 
>> What are some of the things you can do to avoid the flaking problems?
> 
> I use a good drafting brush and brush it before printing. I find using cloth
> can burnish the paper.  Not to mention what might be on the cotton itself
> that may effect it.
> 
> Carolyn
> 
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> 
> Yes I bought a quantity of it a while back and had no flaking problems
> what so ever. I love the feel and the look of the paper.
> 
> What are some of the things you can do to avoid the flaking problems?
> 
> Are the Royal Jazz and Wells River the same paper or are they just
> really similar.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Steve
> 
> >
> > Www.Digitalartsupply.com has the heavyweight.  I think
> > www.freestylephoto.com might have it as well but you will have to contact
> > them to make sure its the heavyweight.  Www.mediastreet.com sells the
> > lightweight branded under royal jazz and www.inkjetmall.com sells it under
> > Wells River. Have you used this paper before?  It gives beautiful blacks,
> > but has significant flaking problems if you aren't careful.
> >
> > Robert
> >
> 
> > > Were is the best place to buy William Turner 300 paper or it's
> > > equivalent.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> >
> 
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> 
> According to mediastreet.com  royal jazz and Royal Plush are the same
> paper. The only difference is that the Royal Plush is thicker.
> 
> Does this mean that the Royal Plush is the same paper as the William
> Turner 310?
> 
> Steve Schaefer
> 
> > Yes I bought a quantity of it a while back and had no flaking problems
> > what so ever. I love the feel and the look of the paper.
> >
> > What are some of the things you can do to avoid the flaking problems?
> >
> > Are the Royal Jazz and Wells River the same paper or are they just
> > really similar.
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > >
> > > Www.Digitalartsupply.com has the heavyweight.  I think
> > > www.freestylephoto.com might have it as well but you will have to contact
> > > them to make sure its the heavyweight.  Www.mediastreet.com sells the
> > > lightweight branded under royal jazz and www.inkjetmall.com sells it under
> > > Wells River. Have you used this paper before?  It gives beautiful blacks,
> > > but has significant flaking problems if you aren't careful.
> > >
> > > Robert
> > >
> >
> >
> > > > Were is the best place to buy William Turner 300 paper or it's
> > > > equivalent.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > >
> 
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> 
> > What are some of the things you can do to avoid the flaking problems?
> 
> I use a good drafting brush and brush it before printing. I find using cloth
> can burnish the paper.  Not to mention what might be on the cotton itself
> that may effect it.
> 
> Carolyn
> 
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> > that may effect it.
> > 
> > Carolyn
> >

From: "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] William Turner paper


> This is a problem with people not completely copying prior messages.  I
> believe what Jerry was saying was the Royal Plush was a different name for
> German Etching paper.  German Etching and William Turner are obviously not
> the same Hahnemuhle papers, and yes William Turner is a rag paper, and
> German Etching is not.  Royal Jazz is definitely the lightweight William
> Turner...what is up in the air is whether Royal Plush is the heavy weight
> German Etching or William Turner.
>
> The Hahnemuhle naming mess revisited once again.

The Wilhelm tests for Generations + Royal Plush started before William
Turner was introduced by Hahnemuhle.
Royal Plush is German Etching as far as I know. William Turner should also
have a slightly smoother surface than Royal Plush aka German Etching. I
believe that William Turner appeared on the market in the summer of 2000
just after the Drupa.

Hahnemuhle's range and names are clear, the resellers should name their
papers a bit more Hahnemuhle like ;-)

Ernst

> 
> > This is a problem with people not completely copying prior messages.  I
> > believe what Jerry was saying was the Royal Plush was a different name for
> > German Etching paper.  German Etching and William Turner are obviously not
> > the same Hahnemuhle papers, and yes William Turner is a rag paper, and
> > German Etching is not.  Royal Jazz is definitely the lightweight William
> > Turner...what is up in the air is whether Royal Plush is the heavy weight
> > German Etching or William Turner.
> >
> > The Hahnemuhle naming mess revisited once again.
> 
> The Wilhelm tests for Generations + Royal Plush started before William
> Turner was introduced by Hahnemuhle.
> Royal Plush is German Etching as far as I know. William Turner should also
> have a slightly smoother surface than Royal Plush aka German Etching. I
> believe that William Turner appeared on the market in the summer of 2000
> just after the Drupa.
> 
> Hahnemuhle's range and names are clear, the resellers should name their
> papers a bit more Hahnemuhle like ;-)
> 
> Ernst

> 
> I think I see where some of the confusion comes from. On
> mediastreet.com web site they state that:
> 
> " Royal Jazz 190 gsm is a thinner version of our very popular Royal
> Plush. "
> 
> But, When you go down to the Royal Plush they state that the "Royal
> Plush is somewhere between the Royal Jazz and the Royal Weave".
> 
> Are these the same paper or not? This is all very confusing.
> 
> If it's not the same paper, does anyone sell a cheaper , renamed
> version , of the William Turner 310 gsm?
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>>> This is a problem with people not completely copying prior messages.  I
>>> believe what Jerry was saying was the Royal Plush was a different name for
>>> German Etching paper.  German Etching and William Turner are obviously not
>>> the same Hahnemuhle papers, and yes William Turner is a rag paper, and
>>> German Etching is not.  Royal Jazz is definitely the lightweight William
>>> Turner...what is up in the air is whether Royal Plush is the heavy weight
>>> German Etching or William Turner.
>>> 
>>> The Hahnemuhle naming mess revisited once again.
>> 
>> The Wilhelm tests for Generations + Royal Plush started before William
>> Turner was introduced by Hahnemuhle.
>> Royal Plush is German Etching as far as I know. William Turner should also
>> have a slightly smoother surface than Royal Plush aka German Etching. I
>> believe that William Turner appeared on the market in the summer of 2000
>> just after the Drupa.
>> 
>> Hahnemuhle's range and names are clear, the resellers should name their
>> papers a bit more Hahnemuhle like ;-)
>> 
>> Ernst
> 
> 
> 
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>

> 
> I think I see where some of the confusion comes from. On
> mediastreet.com web site they state that:
> 
> " Royal Jazz 190 gsm is a thinner version of our very popular Royal
> Plush. "
> 
> But, When you go down to the Royal Plush they state that the "Royal
> Plush is somewhere between the Royal Jazz and the Royal Weave".
> 
> Are these the same paper or not? This is all very confusing.
> 
> If it's not the same paper, does anyone sell a cheaper , renamed
> version , of the William Turner 310 gsm?
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Steve
> 
> >
> > > This is a problem with people not completely copying prior messages.  I
> > > believe what Jerry was saying was the Royal Plush was a different name for
> > > German Etching paper.  German Etching and William Turner are obviously not
> > > the same Hahnemuhle papers, and yes William Turner is a rag paper, and
> > > German Etching is not.  Royal Jazz is definitely the lightweight William
> > > Turner...what is up in the air is whether Royal Plush is the heavy weight
> > > German Etching or William Turner.
> > >
> > > The Hahnemuhle naming mess revisited once again.
> >
> > The Wilhelm tests for Generations + Royal Plush started before William
> > Turner was introduced by Hahnemuhle.
> > Royal Plush is German Etching as far as I know. William Turner should also
> > have a slightly smoother surface than Royal Plush aka German Etching. I
> > believe that William Turner appeared on the market in the summer of 2000
> > just after the Drupa.
> >
> > Hahnemuhle's range and names are clear, the resellers should name their
> > papers a bit more Hahnemuhle like ;-)
> >
> > Ernst
> 
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