Digital BW, The Print

Steadman,

Basically participation of the manufacturers and vendors was 
something we planned in from the beginning. The idea was that they 
would all be on an equal footing and would not control the list. We 
spent a lot of time laying it out and it is in Post #1.

So far we have had posts from Lincoln Inks, Crane Paper (Robert Rex), 
Legion Paper, Hawk Mountain Papers, Indelible Inks (only after people 
started posting about info on their list) and Robert Morrison who has 
a coating under development with Brightcube if I am not mistaken. 
Paul Roark does not work for MIS. Let me know if I missed someone.

No one from MIS has ever posted on this list to my knowledge. I 
invited both Bob Zeiss and Jon Cone to post and both declined. All 
the MIS posts have been from users. All I can say is that there has 
been a lot of interest. MIS doesn't have a list and most of the MIS 
users were apparently lurking on the Piezo list and then moved over 
here. Indelible Inks does have a list. I would like to see some more 
diversity myself and I try to promote other threads as they come 
along but I can't create it if the interest is not there. I am very 
surprised there is not more discussion about Piezo. The current poll 
shows that of the ink sets in use by the group Piezo is about 40% and 
the various MIS quads 33%.

The rules are that someone can promote their product to the list if 
it is related to making B&W (including monochromes such as sepia, 
etc.) prints, they respond to questions about their products, they 
create a link on their website to this group to help ensure a 
steady flow of new members, and hopefully share their expertise in 
general.

Quite frankly it is likely to be the smaller, newer companies who 
post because it is a real gamble. They have a very good chance of 
getting shredded.

The "Make Your Site SELL! (MYSS!)" issue is another matter and I will 
ask politely that the person (I need to check back and see who.) 
remove this from their posts. Any promotion of a product not related 
to B&W digital printing is considered SPAM.

In all sincerity the list is about as under control, as I would like 
it to be. Hopefully Antonis and I could both go off on vacation for a 
month and you all could sort it out amongst yourselves. It was meant 
to be a group largely moderated by the users with any intervention by 
Antonis or myself, a last ditch effort.

Not what you wanted to hear but I hope you understand our position.

Thanks,

Martin



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
<steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> Hello List Moderators!
> 
> Just another opinion here...from one who admires your intentions 
and your sacrifice of time to get this list going. 
> 
> But, this list is becoming too much (in my opinion) a list of 
manufacturers and ink reps touting their products again and again.  
> 
> I have respect for Robert Rex, Paul Roark and I am sure I would 
respect some of the others too, but my email box has been loaded 
lately with nothing but ink/curve/ink comments from people who are in 
the business of selling the stuff, users or not.  If I were really 
all that interested in MIS inks I would go to the MIS site and look 
for "their list."  Same with Piezo.  Same with other stuff too.  Paul 
Roark is a dedicated man who knows his stuff and is kind enough to 
answer his questions in detail (thanks Paul). Robert Rex has access 
to guys who know stuff about paper.   But there is a fine line that 
has been crossed numerous times lately. 
> 
> That has changed how I see this fledgling list.  
> 
> Not only that, there is one subscriber whose postings always have 
a "soft spam" advertisement on his posts....that also is beyond what 
I would expect on this kind of list.  I seem to see dozens of his 
messages that scream (and I quote here):
> 
> Make Your Site SELL! (MYSS!)
> The best art in the world is useless......if you can't sell it.
> What's the point of traffic...if no one's buying your art?
> Order MYSS! TODAY... increase your sales TOMORROW
> http://myss.sitesell.com/artists.html
> 
> That is about as annoying as the "Lose Weight Now!"  Lose 20 pounds 
etc....ads that show up on the other list. 
> 
> 
> 
> Hey guys, take control of your list.  
> 
> And keep the marketing hype off this list.  Otherwise, you are no 
better than a tool for ink reps and paper reps etc...
> 
> With sincere intent and best wishes for you and your list,
> Steadman
> 
> 
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