Digital BW, The Print

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tyork@... wrote:
> 
> Hi Jerry,
> 
> You addressed a post to Mike re: selenium-toned prints, was that
> meant for me?
> 
> Tim
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > Mike, I don't think getting a selenium toned print will be
> difficult.
> > But, Whenever you deal with black
> > and white prints, there is metamerism. I got a nice sepia tone on
> Epson
> > Watercolor paper, and on Eclipse paper yesterday, that look great in
> > daylight, and are also attractive in Tungsten lighting, but are a
> > slightly different tone of sepia. Also, Metamerism is different
> colors
> > on different papers.  Color prints don't show a lot of metamerism
> >
> > The trick will be to get a nice selenium tone print in one light
> source
> > that still looks attractive in another lighting situation.  I've
> done
> > this for sepia tone, but selenium will be jore difficult.
> >
> >
> > Exactly what are your settings for your epson ink/selenium prints?
> >
> > What are your choices of lighting? Daylight, Tungsten, Fluorescent?
> In
> > that order? I don't really have any fluorescent lighting in my home
> to
> > view these prints under, I have to take them to a store. And then
> > there's 10 different color temperatures of fluorescent lighting.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> > tyork@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jerry,
> > >
> > >  Congratulations on your exhibit. Your images are great and I'm
> sure
> > > they will be very well received by the public.
> > >  My family and I always say Grace at meal times and we included a
> > > special prayer for everyone involved in yesterday's terrible
> events.
> > > This doesn't sound very Christian-like but I hope you send those
> > > bastards to HELL when you catch them.
> > >  I hope, I hope, I hope that you can get a selenium-toned print
> from
> > > that inkset. The only thing that keeps me from tearing my hair out
> > > (both of them) is that I have the OEM inkset which gives me good
> > > duotones. IMAGINE, JERRY OLSON printing sepia-toned prints and as
> > > Maxwell Smart would say AND LOVING IT :-). Jerry, they almost
> sound
> > > like they are a platinum-tone with the rich blacks and all. Thanks
> > > again, Jerry, for trying to help. I really appreciate it.
> > >
> > > Best regards always,
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > www.portraitsofnature.net
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > Evening Tim,
> > > >
> > > > Well, I've been doing a VERY odd thing for me today. I have a
> > > display of
> > > > 15 photos going up in a new gallery in town. They wanted
> Sepiatone
> > > > prints! After all I've gone through to get the cold tones. But
> these
> > > > Prints I've been printing today, aren't "Piezo Brown". They are
> > > > genuinely a very attractive sepia tone, and I was dumbfounded
> as to
> > > how
> > > > good they look. They are much richer in tone than the cold tone
> > > prints,
> > > > and the blacks are deeper. (Browns?) Richer, and more luxurious
> > > looking,
> > > > anyhow!!) They were printed with a color balance setting I made
> in
> > > > photoshop, and were printed with the COLOR MIS Archival
> pigmented
> > > inks.
> > > > They actually look more classy than the cold tones I've been
> > > printing
> > > > for all these months. They work on Eclipse and Somerset Enhanced
> > > paper
> > > > beautifully. I have never seen a monotone print on Somerset
> velvet
> > > > enhanced of this quality. The blacks? Browns? are deeper than
> you
> > > can
> > > > get with cool tones on this paper.
> > > >
> > > > So I would say yes, you can print any selenium tone you would
> ever
> > > want
> > > > from this inkset. The prints I've been printing today don't
> seem to
> > > have
> > > > any noticeable metamerism; This must be because any metamerism
> with
> > > this
> > > > inkset tends to be a little bit red. (About 6 or 7 ccs of red,
> if
> > > you go
> > > > by the kodak Gelatin filters.
> > > >
> > > > Again, I learn something new every day. i never thought I would
> > > actually
> > > > like brown tones. But again, this is NOT an ugly piezo brown
> color,
> > > it
> > > > is a really nice color!
> > > >
> > > > Tomorrow, I'll try and print a Selenium toned print for you and
> see
> > > how
> > > > the metamerism goes. It is different, depending on the file and
> it's
> > > > color/or grayscale mode. It is different if you print it from
> an RGB
> > > > image or from a Grayscale image.  So MANY variations are
> possible.
> > > >
> > > > Every paper I've used on these sepia prints print the images
> very
> > > well.
> > > > The only thing that does NOT look nice as this color is, of
> course,
> > > snow
> > > > scenes. They must be cool.
> > > >
> > > > I really think if you put some testing time in with this inkset,
> > > you are
> > > > going to be very happy.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > >
> > > > I just can't believe what happened in New York and Washington
> today.
> > > > I've been glued to the news channels all day. I hope they will
> > > discover
> > > > exactly who is behind this and eliminate them utterly.
> > > >
> > > > Take Care.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Jery,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your test on the MIS color inks in a duotone mode.
> I
> > > guess
> > > > > that tears it for me. I am going to stay with the Epson OEM
> inks
> > > > > until there are inks that will do what I want. I like
> selenium-
> > > toned
> > > > > pictures and will wait for Cones selenium inks and see what
> they
> > > are
> > > > > like. Thanks again.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > Yup, Metamerism raised it's ugly head last night with the
> MIS
> > > color
> > > > > > inkset and black and white prints. Too much to accept,
> toward
> > > the
> > > > > red,
> > > > > > I'm afraid. A Real Pity.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh well, back the the VM MIS inks....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > daviddstock@e... wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  I just printed some black and white prints today, using
> the
> > > MIS
> > > > > > > > color inkset and the Torchon Profile I had made for the
> > > printer.
> > > > > > > (1160)
> > > > > > > > On Torchon, Epson Archival and Eclipse paper, this
> profile
> > > > > > > works very
> > > > > > > > well indeed. No color cross overs, and a very close to
> > > neutral
> > > > > > > tone. I
> > > > > > > > was absolutely amazed to get consistent black and white
> > > > > > > prints from the
> > > > > > > > MIS color inkset.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How about metamerism, Jerry? Using profiles, I've had no
> > > > > > > trouble getting good grayscale prints using color
> inksets. But
> > > > > > > such prints have the reputation for being  either
> impermanent
> > > > > > > (like the Epson OEM dyes) or metameric (like the Epson and
> > > > > > > Generations pigments). The reported exception has been
> > > > > > > Cone's Color Piezo, which has poor blacks...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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