Hi Jo, I have no experience with Piezo B&W. My only experience with Inkjet Mall was to buy a set of profiles for printing Gen4 Enhanced on my Epson/1270. These profiles were not satisfactory for my use. Too many colors fell out of gamut and when printed lost all detail. I ultimately paid for a custom profile (from a different company) which was a vast improvement but still nowhere close to the excellent results I get with the IP5/2200 and the supplied IP5 profiles. To my eyes the prints are neutral with almost dye-like saturation. I use the matte black 2200 ink. I have very limited experience with B&W on the IP5/2200. I have a lot of experience with MIS VM Epson/1160 with the Roark curves. I am accumulating a lot of experience with color on the IP5/2200. I proof on EEM and print on Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 188. To my eyes, between EEM and Photo Rag, it is easy to see that the whites are whiter and the blacks are blacker on Photo Rag. This is an added dimension of "smooth crispness" when viewed side by side. So far I have not had the flaking problem with Photo Rag. Earlier I did not mean to imply that printing B&W on the IP5/2200 is anything but totally acceptable. It's just that, all things considered, compared to MIS VM, within my narrow IP5/2200 B&W experience, I like the softer tones of MIS VM better. I have tried sending the exact same file to IP5/2200 and MIS VM Epson/1160. I start with an RGB file that has been converted to B&W with Digital Imaging Tools Convert to BW Pro. This converted file is still an RGB file. I do a grayscale mode conversion to the BW Pro RGB file in Photoshop and then send it to IP5/2200. I apply the Roark medium warm curve to the BW Pro RGB file and then send it to the MIS VM Epson/1160 controlled by the stock Epson 1160 Windows driver The IP5/2200 print has much more contrast with deeper blacks but with loss of a significant amount of shadow detail. Transition areas are generally abrupt. It definitely looks snappier. The MIS VM Epson/1160 print is softer but has more shadow detail and transitions between light and dark areas are generally smooth. The print is overall softer and the blacks are not as deep. Remember, I said I sent identical files. I suspect that if I would crank down the contrast in the BW Pro conversion and send that to IP5/2200 that the print would probably look as good as, if not better than, MIS VM Epson/1160 and with deeper blacks to boot. I have been preoccupied making color prints for a show so I have not pursued IP5/2200 B&W as much as I want to. When I do have time to do further testing, I will report back. Highlights and vast open areas of near-white do not evidence any dots to my eyes with either setup. I feel that after a year's struggle I have reached a temporary stage of printing nirvana. Regards, Bill > I am using an Epson 2100 (European equivalent for 2200) for colour and B&W and I love the colour images but cannot get neutral B&W images out of this printer whatever I have tried. > So from your story I understand I need Colorbyte to get neutral results...or use MIS VM. > Do you have any experience with Piezo B&W? If so, how does it compare to MIS? > > Best regards, > > Jo Brunenberg
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Re: Best B&W system?
2002-12-31 by billstrong50 <billstrong50@yahoo.com>
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