Digital BW, The Print

Hi Jerry,

 I use a black/purple duotone with curve adjustments on the purple,
1440 dpi, high speed off, matte paper setting,gamma 2.2, no color 
adjustments. The light is daytime and normal house lighting. That's 
about it Jerry. If I have missed something let me know.

Tim














--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> yup.
> 
> 
> 
> tyork@a... wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Jerry,
> > 
> > You addressed a post to Mike re: selenium-toned prints, was that
> > meant for me?
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > Mike, I don't think getting a selenium toned print will be
> > difficult.
> > > But, Whenever you deal with black
> > > and white prints, there is metamerism. I got a nice sepia tone 
on
> > Epson
> > > Watercolor paper, and on Eclipse paper yesterday, that look 
great in
> > > daylight, and are also attractive in Tungsten lighting, but are 
a
> > > slightly different tone of sepia. Also, Metamerism is different
> > colors
> > > on different papers.  Color prints don't show a lot of 
metamerism
> > >
> > > The trick will be to get a nice selenium tone print in one light
> > source
> > > that still looks attractive in another lighting situation.  I've
> > done
> > > this for sepia tone, but selenium will be jore difficult.
> > >
> > >
> > > Exactly what are your settings for your epson ink/selenium 
prints?
> > >
> > > What are your choices of lighting? Daylight, Tungsten, 
Fluorescent?
> > In
> > > that order? I don't really have any fluorescent lighting in my 
home
> > to
> > > view these prints under, I have to take them to a store. And 
then
> > > there's 10 different color temperatures of fluorescent lighting.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Jerry,
> > > >
> > > >  Congratulations on your exhibit. Your images are great and 
I'm
> > sure
> > > > they will be very well received by the public.
> > > >  My family and I always say Grace at meal times and we 
included a
> > > > special prayer for everyone involved in yesterday's terrible
> > events.
> > > > This doesn't sound very Christian-like but I hope you send 
those
> > > > bastards to HELL when you catch them.
> > > >  I hope, I hope, I hope that you can get a selenium-toned 
print
> > from
> > > > that inkset. The only thing that keeps me from tearing my 
hair out
> > > > (both of them) is that I have the OEM inkset which gives me 
good
> > > > duotones. IMAGINE, JERRY OLSON printing sepia-toned prints 
and as
> > > > Maxwell Smart would say AND LOVING IT :-). Jerry, they almost
> > sound
> > > > like they are a platinum-tone with the rich blacks and all. 
Thanks
> > > > again, Jerry, for trying to help. I really appreciate it.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards always,
> > > >
> > > > Tim
> > > >
> > > > www.portraitsofnature.net
> > > >
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > Evening Tim,
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, I've been doing a VERY odd thing for me today. I have 
a
> > > > display of
> > > > > 15 photos going up in a new gallery in town. They wanted
> > Sepiatone
> > > > > prints! After all I've gone through to get the cold tones. 
But
> > these
> > > > > Prints I've been printing today, aren't "Piezo Brown". They 
are
> > > > > genuinely a very attractive sepia tone, and I was 
dumbfounded
> > as to
> > > > how
> > > > > good they look. They are much richer in tone than the cold 
tone
> > > > prints,
> > > > > and the blacks are deeper. (Browns?) Richer, and more 
luxurious
> > > > looking,
> > > > > anyhow!!) They were printed with a color balance setting I 
made
> > in
> > > > > photoshop, and were printed with the COLOR MIS Archival
> > pigmented
> > > > inks.
> > > > > They actually look more classy than the cold tones I've been
> > > > printing
> > > > > for all these months. They work on Eclipse and Somerset 
Enhanced
> > > > paper
> > > > > beautifully. I have never seen a monotone print on Somerset
> > velvet
> > > > > enhanced of this quality. The blacks? Browns? are deeper 
than
> > you
> > > > can
> > > > > get with cool tones on this paper.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I would say yes, you can print any selenium tone you 
would
> > ever
> > > > want
> > > > > from this inkset. The prints I've been printing today don't
> > seem to
> > > > have
> > > > > any noticeable metamerism; This must be because any 
metamerism
> > with
> > > > this
> > > > > inkset tends to be a little bit red. (About 6 or 7 ccs of 
red,
> > if
> > > > you go
> > > > > by the kodak Gelatin filters.
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, I learn something new every day. i never thought I 
would
> > > > actually
> > > > > like brown tones. But again, this is NOT an ugly piezo brown
> > color,
> > > > it
> > > > > is a really nice color!
> > > > >
> > > > > Tomorrow, I'll try and print a Selenium toned print for you 
and
> > see
> > > > how
> > > > > the metamerism goes. It is different, depending on the file 
and
> > it's
> > > > > color/or grayscale mode. It is different if you print it 
from
> > an RGB
> > > > > image or from a Grayscale image.  So MANY variations are
> > possible.
> > > > >
> > > > > Every paper I've used on these sepia prints print the images
> > very
> > > > well.
> > > > > The only thing that does NOT look nice as this color is, of
> > course,
> > > > snow
> > > > > scenes. They must be cool.
> > > > >
> > > > > I really think if you put some testing time in with this 
inkset,
> > > > you are
> > > > > going to be very happy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jerry
> > > > >
> > > > > I just can't believe what happened in New York and 
Washington
> > today.
> > > > > I've been glued to the news channels all day. I hope they 
will
> > > > discover
> > > > > exactly who is behind this and eliminate them utterly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Take Care.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Jery,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your test on the MIS color inks in a duotone 
mode.
> > I
> > > > guess
> > > > > > that tears it for me. I am going to stay with the Epson 
OEM
> > inks
> > > > > > until there are inks that will do what I want. I like
> > selenium-
> > > > toned
> > > > > > pictures and will wait for Cones selenium inks and see 
what
> > they
> > > > are
> > > > > > like. Thanks again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tim
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Yup, Metamerism raised it's ugly head last night with 
the
> > MIS
> > > > color
> > > > > > > inkset and black and white prints. Too much to accept,
> > toward
> > > > the
> > > > > > red,
> > > > > > > I'm afraid. A Real Pity.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh well, back the the VM MIS inks....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > daviddstock@e... wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > > > > > > > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  I just printed some black and white prints today, 
using
> > the
> > > > MIS
> > > > > > > > > color inkset and the Torchon Profile I had made for 
the
> > > > printer.
> > > > > > > > (1160)
> > > > > > > > > On Torchon, Epson Archival and Eclipse paper, this
> > profile
> > > > > > > > works very
> > > > > > > > > well indeed. No color cross overs, and a very close 
to
> > > > neutral
> > > > > > > > tone. I
> > > > > > > > > was absolutely amazed to get consistent black and 
white
> > > > > > > > prints from the
> > > > > > > > > MIS color inkset.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How about metamerism, Jerry? Using profiles, I've had 
no
> > > > > > > > trouble getting good grayscale prints using color
> > inksets. But
> > > > > > > > such prints have the reputation for being  either
> > impermanent
> > > > > > > > (like the Epson OEM dyes) or metameric (like the 
Epson and
> > > > > > > > Generations pigments). The reported exception has been
> > > > > > > > Cone's Color Piezo, which has poor blacks...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > 
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