Hmmm...maybe I should go into the import/export business.....where do you live.... Maybe we could work out a deal. Robert On 9/13/01 1:11 AM, "Garry Sarre" <gazzzzperth@...> wrote: > You guys are so spoilt. Where I come from, the hasselblad digi back > is $40,000. If I could get it for 20k, I'd be in like a shot > > Garry Sarre > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison > <rmorrison@p...> wrote: >> Its funny, a camera not quite as good as my D1...4-5 years ago was > $75K. It >> will be interesting to see how much the 2.25 back comes down in > price. It >> doesn't have the relatively volume market that a D1 does > (photojournalism). >> I imagine that every wedding photographer and his brother that > shoots a >> mamiya or hasselblad would love to shoot digital because of the > certainty of >> getting the shot and time savings...but there probably aren't > enough of them >> willing to put out $20K to actually drive the price down in the long >> run...it will be interesting to see if the people making the 2.25 > back >> ultimately take the same chance that Nikon did when they released > the D1 at >> 1/5 the price of the competition at the time. >> >> My guess is that the focus of digital in the future will stick with > 35mm >> bodies. If Nikon made a 35mm sized CCD and used the technology > that they >> are using in the D1X, I doubt anyone, regardless of their target > output, >> would need more file size. My D1 images shot in RAW mode simply > have no >> noise. As a result, these relatively small files can be scaled way > beyond >> what I can do with a TMAX negative scanned in my SS4000 because of > the >> grain. The digital images are a hell of a lot easier to retouch as > well >> because of the absence of grain...of course if you like grain you > will need >> to use a filter to make some :-) If Nikon and Canon made the > monitors on >> the back of their pro cameras flip up...you'd have an F5 and a > Hasselblad >> all in one package that you could put lenses on that cost a > fraction of what >> 2.25 lens cost...could be interesting. >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> On 9/8/01 7:54 AM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@r...> wrote: >> >>> Robert, Even if I could afford 20K for a 2 1/4 back, I'd never > pay it, >>> simply because to me, it is so overpriced as to be absurd. >>> >>> Jerry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Robert Morrison wrote: >>>> >>>> So what you really want is a Hasselblad, not a F5?!? I enjoy > using my Nikon >>>> 990 as a poor man's Hasselblad, sneaking up on unexpecting > pedestrians and >>>> museum guards. My D1 takes the pictures I'm not afraid to be > seen taking. >>>> Just shot 15 rolls of TMAX400 on an F100...should be interesting > to see how >>>> similar shots taken with the D1 compare. From what I understand > the D1X >>>> blows away everything on the market except for the Digital > Hasselblad back >>>> ($20K). But if you have Canon lenses then Canon it must be. >>>> >>>> Robert >>>> >>>> On 9/7/01 5:53 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@r...> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for the info. I'm waiting for the next Canon, myself. >>>>> >>>>> Sure wish they had a waist level finder, or a swing out Monitor. >>>>> >>>>> Jerry >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Robert Morrison wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> No...its shaped like a F5, feels like an F5, and layed out > like an F5...but >>>>>> is not an F5...its a D1X. Nikon and Canon don't make digital > cameras like >>>>>> Kodak...thank God...they aren't as big either. >>>>>> >>>>>> Robert >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/7/01 1:18 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@r...> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> but if it has no removable prism, It can't really be an F5 > body, can it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's an awful lot you cannot do if you don't have the > removable prism. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jerry >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Robert Morrison wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does the DX1 have that sports viewfinder the F4 and F5 had > available? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Probably not. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It was >>>>>>>>> terrific, if pricy. Is the DX1 truly an F5 body? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, same metering and controls, but obviously many extra > controls. >>>>>>>> Feels >>>>>>>> very similar...although a bit heavier. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does it have a >>>>>>>>> removeable prism? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Robert >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> David Brugge wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Garry Sarre" >>>>>>>>>> <gazzzzperth@y...> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ideally I would like to shoot digital, but the medium > format >>>>>>>>>> digital >>>>>>>>>>> backs for hasselblad are a bit pricey here ($50,000 by > the time you >>>>>>>>>>> upgrade the blad) and the next step down is to 35mm maybe > a Nikon >>>>>>>>>> d1X >>>>>>>>>>> (I think) but I can't see the subjects expression big > enough >>>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>>>> the viewfinder. I need to see exactly what the eyes are > doing so >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> I can choose the moment to click. This was a big > dissappointment >>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>> trying 35mm digital for portrait. Subject expression is > everything >>>>>>>>>>> in my stuff. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Garry, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am not a portrait photographer, but I shoot a lot of > kids for >>>>>>>>>> advertising. Because I seldom have to do extreme > enlargements, I >>>>>>>>>> don't need to shoot medium format. I DO have to see the > eyes, so 35mm >>>>>>>>>> just doesn't get it for me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Lately I started experimenting with digital camera > equipment. I'm >>>>>>>>>> waiting for the dust to settle a little before I invest > any real >>>>>>>>>> dollars into equipment. In the meantime I got a Nikon 990, > just to >>>>>>>>>> fool around. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A neat feature that I didn't know about is the video out > port. I can >>>>>>>>>> mount the camera on a tripod and hook up a regular TV as a > monitor. I >>>>>>>>>> took this setup to a shoot and halfway through the shoot, > turned the >>>>>>>>>> monitor around so that the kids could see themselves. I > worked great! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I can get a very respectable image from the little camera > in full >>>>>>>>>> TIFF mode, but the refresh rate at HI setting is just too > long (about >>>>>>>>>> 45 sec.) to be used for serious work. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I mention this because you MAY want to consider something > like the >>>>>>>>>> D1H or D1X (very fast refresh rate, much higher quality > output) with >>>>>>>>>> a video monitor, just to get your feet wet. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> David Brugge >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, > Bookmarks, Polls >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> other resources as they are often being updated. The page > is at: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Your use of Yahoo! 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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Attention Studio Portrait Photographers
2001-09-13 by Robert Morrison