Hmmm...maybe I should go into the import/export business.....where do you
live.... Maybe we could work out a deal.
Robert
On 9/13/01 1:11 AM, "Garry Sarre" <gazzzzperth@...> wrote:
> You guys are so spoilt. Where I come from, the hasselblad digi back
> is $40,000. If I could get it for 20k, I'd be in like a shot
>
> Garry Sarre
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison
> <rmorrison@p...> wrote:
>> Its funny, a camera not quite as good as my D1...4-5 years ago was
> $75K. It
>> will be interesting to see how much the 2.25 back comes down in
> price. It
>> doesn't have the relatively volume market that a D1 does
> (photojournalism).
>> I imagine that every wedding photographer and his brother that
> shoots a
>> mamiya or hasselblad would love to shoot digital because of the
> certainty of
>> getting the shot and time savings...but there probably aren't
> enough of them
>> willing to put out $20K to actually drive the price down in the long
>> run...it will be interesting to see if the people making the 2.25
> back
>> ultimately take the same chance that Nikon did when they released
> the D1 at
>> 1/5 the price of the competition at the time.
>>
>> My guess is that the focus of digital in the future will stick with
> 35mm
>> bodies. If Nikon made a 35mm sized CCD and used the technology
> that they
>> are using in the D1X, I doubt anyone, regardless of their target
> output,
>> would need more file size. My D1 images shot in RAW mode simply
> have no
>> noise. As a result, these relatively small files can be scaled way
> beyond
>> what I can do with a TMAX negative scanned in my SS4000 because of
> the
>> grain. The digital images are a hell of a lot easier to retouch as
> well
>> because of the absence of grain...of course if you like grain you
> will need
>> to use a filter to make some :-) If Nikon and Canon made the
> monitors on
>> the back of their pro cameras flip up...you'd have an F5 and a
> Hasselblad
>> all in one package that you could put lenses on that cost a
> fraction of what
>> 2.25 lens cost...could be interesting.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/8/01 7:54 AM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
>>
>>> Robert, Even if I could afford 20K for a 2 1/4 back, I'd never
> pay it,
>>> simply because to me, it is so overpriced as to be absurd.
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert Morrison wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So what you really want is a Hasselblad, not a F5?!? I enjoy
> using my Nikon
>>>> 990 as a poor man's Hasselblad, sneaking up on unexpecting
> pedestrians and
>>>> museum guards. My D1 takes the pictures I'm not afraid to be
> seen taking.
>>>> Just shot 15 rolls of TMAX400 on an F100...should be interesting
> to see how
>>>> similar shots taken with the D1 compare. From what I understand
> the D1X
>>>> blows away everything on the market except for the Digital
> Hasselblad back
>>>> ($20K). But if you have Canon lenses then Canon it must be.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> On 9/7/01 5:53 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the info. I'm waiting for the next Canon, myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure wish they had a waist level finder, or a swing out Monitor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Morrison wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No...its shaped like a F5, feels like an F5, and layed out
> like an F5...but
>>>>>> is not an F5...its a D1X. Nikon and Canon don't make digital
> cameras like
>>>>>> Kodak...thank God...they aren't as big either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/7/01 1:18 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but if it has no removable prism, It can't really be an F5
> body, can it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's an awful lot you cannot do if you don't have the
> removable prism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert Morrison wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does the DX1 have that sports viewfinder the F4 and F5 had
> available?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Probably not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was
>>>>>>>>> terrific, if pricy. Is the DX1 truly an F5 body?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, same metering and controls, but obviously many extra
> controls.
>>>>>>>> Feels
>>>>>>>> very similar...although a bit heavier.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does it have a
>>>>>>>>> removeable prism?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David Brugge wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Garry Sarre"
>>>>>>>>>> <gazzzzperth@y...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ideally I would like to shoot digital, but the medium
> format
>>>>>>>>>> digital
>>>>>>>>>>> backs for hasselblad are a bit pricey here ($50,000 by
> the time you
>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade the blad) and the next step down is to 35mm maybe
> a Nikon
>>>>>>>>>> d1X
>>>>>>>>>>> (I think) but I can't see the subjects expression big
> enough
>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>> the viewfinder. I need to see exactly what the eyes are
> doing so
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> I can choose the moment to click. This was a big
> dissappointment
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>> trying 35mm digital for portrait. Subject expression is
> everything
>>>>>>>>>>> in my stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Garry,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am not a portrait photographer, but I shoot a lot of
> kids for
>>>>>>>>>> advertising. Because I seldom have to do extreme
> enlargements, I
>>>>>>>>>> don't need to shoot medium format. I DO have to see the
> eyes, so 35mm
>>>>>>>>>> just doesn't get it for me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lately I started experimenting with digital camera
> equipment. I'm
>>>>>>>>>> waiting for the dust to settle a little before I invest
> any real
>>>>>>>>>> dollars into equipment. In the meantime I got a Nikon 990,
> just to
>>>>>>>>>> fool around.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A neat feature that I didn't know about is the video out
> port. I can
>>>>>>>>>> mount the camera on a tripod and hook up a regular TV as a
> monitor. I
>>>>>>>>>> took this setup to a shoot and halfway through the shoot,
> turned the
>>>>>>>>>> monitor around so that the kids could see themselves. I
> worked great!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can get a very respectable image from the little camera
> in full
>>>>>>>>>> TIFF mode, but the refresh rate at HI setting is just too
> long (about
>>>>>>>>>> 45 sec.) to be used for serious work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I mention this because you MAY want to consider something
> like the
>>>>>>>>>> D1H or D1X (very fast refresh rate, much higher quality
> output) with
>>>>>>>>>> a video monitor, just to get your feet wet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David Brugge
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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