Thanks for your reply. I visited your website and was pleased to learn that once the prints have turned colour, they will not change further. So could I confidently exhibit and sell for example a reddish print? Has anyone tested one? Best wishes from Serena. ----- Original Message ----- From: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: [Digital BW] Digest Number 1228 > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 25 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: EPSON GT 9800 F scanner > From: "Simon Lamb" <simon@...> > 2. Do I need to update a 1160 PiezoBW with MIS FS Neutral system? > From: "Jean-Marc Humbert <humbertjm@...>" <humbertjm@...> > 3. Print stability. > From: "jawa_3502002 <s.wadham@...>" <s.wadham@...> > 4. Re: MIS vs. Gen4 black - again > From: "Stephen A. Tucker <stephentucker@...>" <stephentucker@...> > 5. Lyson inks - metamerism and print life > From: "K2 Chittin <k2lists@...>" <k2lists@...> > 6. Hahnemuhle Paper Profile > From: "donbga <dsbryant@...>" <dsbryant@...> > 7. Re: Hahnemuhle Paper Profile > From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...> > 8. Re: Print stability. > From: "Clayton Jones <cj@...>" <cj@...> > 9. Re: Hahnemuhle Paper Profile > From: Peter Palmieri <pcpalmieri@...> > 10. storage box for 19x13 prints > From: "steven0356 <stevenr@...>" <stevenr@...> > 11. Re: Hahnemuhle Paper Profile > From: "John Luke <jjlphoto@...>" <jjlphoto@...> > 12. Re: what printer?? > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > 13. Re: Guinea-pigs needed (was Epson 1280 using 1290 driver) > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > 14. Re: MIS vs. Gen4 black - again > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > 15. Re: Hahnemuhle Paper Profile > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > 16. Re: storage box for 19x13 prints > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > 17. Re: Hahnemuhle Paper Profile > From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...> > 18. Re: Cone Sepia and Selenium inks > From: "eleanor77027 <elliebrown@...>" <elliebrown@...> > 19. Dry Mounting Images > From: "starchguy <starchguy@...>" <starchguy@...> > 20. RE: Dry Mounting Images > From: "Austin Franklin" <darkroom@...> > 21. AW: Dry Mounting Images > From: "Peter Baumbach" <info@...> > 22. San Francisco Photo Show Announcement > From: "Roy Harrington <roy@...>" <roy@...> > 23. Re: AW: Dry Mounting Images > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > 24. Re: what printer?? > From: "Jake Hellbach" <jake@...> > 25. RE: Dry Mounting Images > From: "Austin Franklin" <darkroom@...> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:09:03 -0000 > From: "Simon Lamb" <simon@...> > Subject: Re: EPSON GT 9800 F scanner > > Ernst > > Any feedback you can provide once you have your new 3200 would be greatly appreciated. > > Simon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ernst Dinkla > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 8:39 AM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] EPSON GT 9800 F scanner > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <artcoreproductions@...> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 10:22 PM > Subject: [Digital BW] EPSON GT 9800 F scanner > > > > Does anybody know when will EPSON release its new GT 9800 F > > flatbed scanner in North America??? > > That is the Epson Perfection 3200 in English. I've ordered one and it should > have been available end of december but the delivery has been postponed, > hope to get it this week. The Netherlands / Europe. Can't comment on the > introduction in the USA. > > Ernst > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 11:53:03 -0000 > From: "Jean-Marc Humbert <humbertjm@...>" <humbertjm@...> > Subject: Do I need to update a 1160 PiezoBW with MIS FS Neutral system? > > Happy new year to everyone here from Paris and may this year be the > year of the Digital Black&White printing! > > I use (and I am mostly glad with it) a 1160 with the PiezographyBW > driver together with MIS FS Neutral, mostly on EAM. > > Shall I update to something better for b&w prints, my dreams being: > > - to have a true matching between screen and prints (instead of using > the manual curves through PS and personal dot gain settings) > > - to print decently on semi-gloss papers. > > Thanks for your advice > > JM Humbert > Paris, France > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 12:26:07 -0000 > From: "jawa_3502002 <s.wadham@...>" <s.wadham@...> > Subject: Print stability. > > Last week I looked through my digital prints dating from > 1994. The first were made with a Star thermal printer, the SJ144. > NO problems there except the low resolution. Next an Epson which > faded so quiuckly that I sold it immediately.Then a better Star, > whose > prints faded while they were on display in a local gallery, to my > great shame. I then gave up trying for some years. However in 1999 > I resumed my efforts with a HP Deskjet 970c. Some of those prints are > still perfectly all right, especially those made on ordinary 80gsm > copier paper. Following recommendations from another photographer, > I bought a secondhand Epson 800. This time I tried supposedly- > archival Lyson Small Gamust inks: the prints loked really nice. > Especially those on Epson Glossy paper. The colours they are now vary > from purplish to reddish to greenish. > Finally, I got a refurbished Epson 870, in August 2002. I liked the > results but will they change colour or fade? I haven't used this > printer for B/W - only with the original inks. > I must add that I still have some chemically-processed prints > which I made in the 1960s,and they are O.K. > My question is: how old is the oldest digital print which is still > in reasonable condition? What printer and inks and paper were used > and how was it stored? I'll be grateful for any replies. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 12:44:02 -0000 > From: "Stephen A. Tucker <stephentucker@...>" <stephentucker@...> > Subject: Re: MIS vs. Gen4 black - again > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, > Jerry Olson <jerryolson@r...> wrote: > > <snip> > > > The difference in the prints between the 2 inks is > > the VM black does not make acceptable blacks (for me) > > on watercolor papers, and the Gen 4 does. > > > > Jerry > > > > Jerry, > > In my limited experience with VM black, it looks very > dense to me on Photo Rag & EAM/HWM - although I have > no way to actually measure it. > > On textured paper of any kind, VM black DOES seem to > give up a LOT of tonal range - much more than most > "wet darkroom" textured papers ever did. > > If you don't mind me asking, what watercolor papers > do you like with the Gen4 black? > > Thanks, > Steve Tucker > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 14:40:46 -0000 > From: "K2 Chittin <k2lists@...>" <k2lists@...> > Subject: Lyson inks - metamerism and print life > > I have the occasional need to print on semi-gloss and am considering > Lyson inks. There has been talk of metamerism in the past, with both > quad black and SG. I wonder if this has been overcome. > > Is anyone out there using either of these inksets with semi-gloss > papers? How do they fare for metamerism? I don't need toning > ability so either inkset is a possible candidate. > > I intend on using the Ilford Smooth Pearl, which has a really nice > surface and weight. It's also mega cheap here. Any thoughts as to > print life where clients are likely to keep the prints in an album? > > Lyson inks are expensive, so I'd like to jump right in with a CIS on > an 890, rather than try out first with carts. > > Thanks > > K2 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 15:24:47 -0000 > From: "donbga <dsbryant@...>" <dsbryant@...> > Subject: Hahnemuhle Paper Profile > > Somewhere this past week, I read on the net that all Hahnemuhle > papers have the same profile which leads me to a couple of questions. > > Is this true? > > And if so does that mean that the less expensive versions could be > used for proofing? > > Thanks, > > Don Bryant > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:30:09 +0100 > From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...> > Subject: Re: Hahnemuhle Paper Profile > > No Don it isn't true - I use PR and WT and they need totally different > treatment. For proofing I use EAM - again profiled, so that what works on > EAM will then work on the other papers with their own profiles - more or > less! > > Julian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <dsbryant@...> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 4:24 PM > Subject: [Digital BW] Hahnemuhle Paper Profile > > > > Somewhere this past week, I read on the net that all Hahnemuhle > > papers have the same profile which leads me to a couple of questions. > > > > Is this true? > > > > And if so does that mean that the less expensive versions could be > > used for proofing? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Don Bryant > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - Include your full name with your message. > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 15:39:04 -0000 > From: "Clayton Jones <cj@...>" <cj@...> > Subject: Re: Print stability. > > Hello s.wadham, > > I don't know what the oldest print is, but at this point in time every > ink will fade and color shift to some degree. The 2nd article in the > series on my web site (listed below) gives an overview of the > different kinds of inks and what the problems are. There are some > inks that last a long time with minimal problems. They are getting > better, but none are perfect yet. > > Regards, > Clayton > > > Info on black and white digital printing at > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 12:02:09 -0500 > From: Peter Palmieri <pcpalmieri@...> > Subject: Re: Hahnemuhle Paper Profile > > Having read so many raves about Hahnemuhle Paper Rag, I bought the paper and have printed several B&W's using it. I have an Epson 2200, WinXP and am using PS7. I have not used a profile for it. Rather I have used the settings suggested suggested by Professor Schofield (thank you Professor!) at www.luminous-landscape.com . Those settings produce very satisfactory prints using Matte Black ink. The only change from his suggestions is the media selection, which is set to Watercolor Paper Radiant White. > > The prints are very satisfactory, as I have said, but always wondering whether there are "tweaks" that could improve on a good thing. > > I did carefully produce a color profile, with expert assistance, for the subject paper using Profile Prism. However, Epson's Enhanced Matte paper, using Epson's canned profile, produced a better looking print. All other parameters remained unchanged so that a reasonable comparison could be made. > > Settings, tweaks, suggestions, profiles etc. for printing B&W's on HPR will be most appreciated. > > Thanks for any help! > > Peter > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 17:03:16 -0000 > From: "steven0356 <stevenr@...>" <stevenr@...> > Subject: storage box for 19x13 prints > > I am looking for a storage box to hold my 19x13 prints. Does > anyone know of a source for something like this. > > Thanks > > Steve > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 17:08:34 -0000 > From: "John Luke <jjlphoto@...>" <jjlphoto@...> > Subject: Re: Hahnemuhle Paper Profile > > I use Photo Rag 308, Albrect Durer, and Torchon on an Epson 1280 with > Gen-4 ink. My profile target was printed on Photo Rag 308 and read > with the DTPxrite > autospectophotmeter with ProfilerPro (or was it Profilemaker Pro? > Either way, it was not the Opti/Photo-Cal one.) > > With very slight adjustment layers, and I do mean slight, that > profile works on all 3 papers. In fact, you would be hard pressed to > tell the difference even if I didn't use > adjustment layers. > > John Luke > APA/ASMP > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 11:21:55 -0600 > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > Subject: Re: what printer?? > > The 1280 is one of the best printers on the market, and you should be > able to get a new one now for about $379 or so. If $300 is absolutely > your top limit, you could get the smaller 8.5 inch wide version, but > would then be limited > to 8x44 inch prints. > > > > Jerry > > > > > "Marti nelson " wrote: > > > > I am wanting to purchase a new printer. I am looking for one to print > > my graphite Pencil artwork. I do not have alot of $$ but was > > wondering if anyone could tell me of a good printer in the ..don't > > laugh...$300.00 range. I know ya get what you pay for..lol..but this > > is all i can afford. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - Include your full name with your message. > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 11:27:24 -0600 > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > Subject: Re: Guinea-pigs needed (was Epson 1280 using 1290 driver) > > Steven, compared to Generation 4 Enhanced black, how black is your black? > > Jerry > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 11:39:34 -0600 > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > Subject: Re: MIS vs. Gen4 black - again > > > Steve, there is a difference, with gen 4 on any paper. > > It makes Eclipse Satine acceptable (it's my favorite paper). The VM ink > would not result in deep enough blacks to be acceptable on this paper. > > Photo Rag, Wells River, William Turner, Torchon, all exhibit outstanding > blacks with the GEN 4 black. It's been rated at 100+ years, and that's > good enough for me. > > A great way to see for yourself which black is truly the best in > density, is simply do a dip and dunk test with a 1x6 inch piece of all > the papers you normally use. The Gen 4 black always comes out the > winner. I dunk each strip twice, about 20 seconds apart and lay them on > a sheet of plastic, printing side up, until dry. > > Jerry > > > > > > "Stephen A. Tucker " wrote: > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, > > Jerry Olson <jerryolson@r...> wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > The difference in the prints between the 2 inks is > > > the VM black does not make acceptable blacks (for me) > > > on watercolor papers, and the Gen 4 does. > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > Jerry, > > > > In my limited experience with VM black, it looks very > > dense to me on Photo Rag & EAM/HWM - although I have > > no way to actually measure it. > > > > On textured paper of any kind, VM black DOES seem to > > give up a LOT of tonal range - much more than most > > "wet darkroom" textured papers ever did. > > > > If you don't mind me asking, what watercolor papers > > do you like with the Gen4 black? > > > > Thanks, > > Steve Tucker > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - Include your full name with your message. > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 15 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 11:44:29 -0600 > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > Subject: Re: Hahnemuhle Paper Profile > > They seem to print the same with Paul's Curves and VM inks... > > Jerry > > > > "donbga " wrote: > > > > Somewhere this past week, I read on the net that all Hahnemuhle > > papers have the same profile which leads me to a couple of questions. > > > > Is this true? > > > > And if so does that mean that the less expensive versions could be > > used for proofing? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Don Bryant > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - Include your full name with your message. > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 16 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 11:50:36 -0600 > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > Subject: Re: storage box for 19x13 prints > > Inkjet Goodies has some clamshell boxes that should hold about a hundred > or so 13x19 inch prints after they have been inserted into Clear plastic > bags. > > Jerry > > > > "steven0356 " wrote: > > > > I am looking for a storage box to hold my 19x13 prints. Does > > anyone know of a source for something like this. > > > > Thanks > > > > Steve > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - Include your full name with your message. > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 17 > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:52:31 +0100 > From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...> > Subject: Re: Hahnemuhle Paper Profile > > Looks like our experiences vary! The piezo profiles seem to give different > results depending on paper/profile. When I was working on my RGB workflow > the WR needed a more extreme curve than PR to sort out shadow detail and > both papers gave a different reading on the 50% greypatch. But again - > thisonly applies to my cis and my printer and the FS inks I was using. Loads > of variables.. > > Julian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jjlphoto@...> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hahnemuhle Paper Profile > > > > I use Photo Rag 308, Albrect Durer, and Torchon on an Epson 1280 with > > Gen-4 ink. My profile target was printed on Photo Rag 308 and read > > with the DTPxrite > > autospectophotmeter with ProfilerPro (or was it Profilemaker Pro? > > Either way, it was not the Opti/Photo-Cal one.) > > > > With very slight adjustment layers, and I do mean slight, that > > profile works on all 3 papers. In fact, you would be hard pressed to > > tell the difference even if I didn't use > > adjustment layers. > > > > John Luke > > APA/ASMP > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - Include your full name with your message. > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 18 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 18:22:12 -0000 > From: "eleanor77027 <elliebrown@...>" <elliebrown@...> > Subject: Re: Cone Sepia and Selenium inks > > Evelyn the tone of my Cone carbon sepia prints on the Photo Rag 308 is > almost identical to the tone of my silver prints printed on Agfa Classic toned > on Kodak Brown Toner. The carbon sepia tone is the most beautiful brown > tone I've ever seen--a rich very warm brown that is not plagued with the > greenish/yellow/orange tint of many sepia prints done with other inks/media/ > toners, etc. eleanor > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Evelyn Grant < > ingamom@y...> wrote: > > Eleanor, > > > > I am using the piezotone carbon sepia with Photo Rag > > 308 and I'm not seeing any real brown tones. Are you > > getting really brown prints or are they just warm > > black & whites? > > > > Evelyn > > --- "eleanor77027 <elliebrown@a...>" > > <elliebrown@a...> wrote: > > > I have been struggling with what to do with digital > > > black and white > > > printing (I'm > > > a silver printer at heart) for a long time and with > > > the advent of the > > > new cone > > > piezotone carbon sepia and selenium inks I will > > > probably sell my > > > darkroom > > > equipment in the near future. the tone of these > > > inks is nothing > > > short of > > > exquisite on the Ham. Photo Rag 308 and the Kodak > > > Ultima Satin. The > > > Kodak paper allows the inks to dry and the ink > > > doesn't rub off but > > > this smooth > > > surface satin paper does need to be sprayed or > > > brushed with a > > > lacquer. and > > > of course the Photo Rag 308 is awesome. > > > > > > My 1280 printer is working well with these inks and > > > I haven't > > > developed any > > > serious clogs like I did with the original Piezo > > > inks. eleanor brown > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 19 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 18:23:47 -0000 > From: "starchguy <starchguy@...>" <starchguy@...> > Subject: Dry Mounting Images > > Need some suggestions. I would imagine an inkjet paper and the inks > themselves would not/could not withstand the heat of a heat press for > dry mounting like regular photgraphic papers do. Any suggestions on > how to mount images OR is there a "system/process" that can be used > utilizing a cold process. > > TY in advance. > > Steve > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 20 > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 13:26:52 -0500 > From: "Austin Franklin" <darkroom@...> > Subject: RE: Dry Mounting Images > > Hi Steve, > > I dry mount my Piezo prints with no problem. > > Austin > > > Need some suggestions. I would imagine an inkjet paper and the inks > > themselves would not/could not withstand the heat of a heat press for > > dry mounting like regular photgraphic papers do. Any suggestions on > > how to mount images OR is there a "system/process" that can be used > > utilizing a cold process. > > > > TY in advance. > > > > Steve > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 21 > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:48:26 +0100 > From: "Peter Baumbach" <info@...> > Subject: AW: Dry Mounting Images > > Hi Austin, > > does the black density increases when you dry mount your Piezo prints (like > it is the case with conventional silver prints)? > > Regards, > Peter Baumbach > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Austin Franklin [mailto:darkroom@...] > Gesendet: Montag, 6. Januar 2003 19:27 > An: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: RE: [Digital BW] Dry Mounting Images > > > Hi Steve, > > I dry mount my Piezo prints with no problem. > > Austin > > > Need some suggestions. I would imagine an inkjet paper and the inks > > themselves would not/could not withstand the heat of a heat press for > > dry mounting like regular photgraphic papers do. Any suggestions on > > how to mount images OR is there a "system/process" that can be used > > utilizing a cold process. > > > > TY in advance. > > > > Steve > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > other resources as they are often being updated. 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Terms of Service. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 22 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 18:55:12 -0000 > From: "Roy Harrington <roy@...>" <roy@...> > Subject: San Francisco Photo Show Announcement > > > Hi All, > > I just finished hanging pictures for a joint photo show at > Gallery House in Palo Alto. There's four of us in the show > with lots of different work. My photos are different than my > usual subject matter -- they are all train images from the steam > train era. Some from Hunter's Point, SF; some from Jamestown, > CA. > > Here's the details: > January 7 to February 8, 2003 > Reception: Friday, Jan 10, 6-8pm > > Gallery House > 320 California Ave > Palo Alto, CA 94306 > 650-326-1668 > > Hours: Tues 11-5, Wed-Sat 11-9 > Enter thru the Printers Inc Cafe > across the street from Keeble & Shuchat. > > Also, I'll be working in the gallery, Thurs Jan 9 from 11 to 5. > > Hope some of you can come visit. > Roy Harrington > > http://www.harrington.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 23 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 13:06:01 -0600 > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...> > Subject: Re: AW: Dry Mounting Images > > I've never noticed any increase in density when I dry mount a silver > print! This is the first I've heard of this. > > Jerry > > > > Peter Baumbach wrote: > > > > Hi Austin, > > > > does the black density increases when you dry mount your Piezo prints (like > > it is the case with conventional silver prints)? > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 24 > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 13:06:18 -0600 > From: "Jake Hellbach" <jake@...> > Subject: Re: what printer?? > > Hi, > Well this brings up a question for me. I'm looking to upgrade my printer. I > was going to get the Epson 2200. > Any advantage on that versus the 1280? > > Thanks, > Jake > www.jakehellbachphoto.com > > > The 1280 is one of the best printers on the market, and you should be > > able to get a new one now for about $379 or so. If $300 is > absolutely....... > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 25 > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:15:20 -0500 > From: "Austin Franklin" <darkroom@...> > Subject: RE: Dry Mounting Images > > Hi Peter, > > No, not that I have noticed, in either case...but I have not measured it. > > Regards, > > Austin > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Peter Baumbach [mailto:info@...] > > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:48 PM > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: AW: [Digital BW] Dry Mounting Images > > > > > > Hi Austin, > > > > does the black density increases when you dry mount your Piezo > > prints (like > > it is the case with conventional silver prints)? > > > > Regards, > > Peter Baumbach > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Austin Franklin [mailto:darkroom@...] > > Gesendet: Montag, 6. Januar 2003 19:27 > > An: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Betreff: RE: [Digital BW] Dry Mounting Images > > > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > I dry mount my Piezo prints with no problem. > > > > Austin > > > > > Need some suggestions. I would imagine an inkjet paper and the inks > > > themselves would not/could not withstand the heat of a heat press for > > > dry mounting like regular photgraphic papers do. Any suggestions on > > > how to mount images OR is there a "system/process" that can be used > > > utilizing a cold process. > > > > > > TY in advance. > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > > other resources as they are often being updated. 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Re: [Digital BW] Digest Number 1228 re print stability.
2003-01-07 by s.wadham